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Thank you very much for your replies. I know about the hardware specs but I am still a novice Linux user. So my question was in deed software related. Never mind, I apologize for the off topic.
 
jdb78 said:
But would it easily be possible to use the Pyra as a navigation device?
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Don't apologise. Asking is good. It means interest to us.

The Pandora had Navit

Navit-car navigation system

Toggle navigation Home Download Screenshots Donate Contact Us Toggle navigation Home Download Screenshots Donate Contact Us Navit is free and without ads. Free maps based on OpenStreetMap. Disclaimer: OpenStreetMap is a trademark of the OpenStreetMap Foundation, and is used with their...
www.navit-project.org
So if the Pyra gets the internal gps working, or if you buy a GPS dongle, just like on the Pandora, then it would work.

Now the downside of Navit is that you have to select the pieces of map where you expect to travel (and pre-download them; or you'll be navigating on a blank screen). (and you need to do that at different resolutions). So with Pyra and the phonechip working, we might get internet like a mobilephone and be able to download these pieces on demand.
 
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I don't have a Pyra, and I haven't tried most of this software on other devices either, but just out of debtags "hardware:gps", one finds:

Navit seems the best, as already said.

Not sure that Gnome Maps or Marble are GPS aware.

Not in debian but maybe portable would be those in that list
  • Offroad OSM
  • uNav
  • Pure Maps
 
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pyrat said:
I don't have a Pyra, and I haven't trying most of this software on other devices either, but just out of debtags "hardware:gps", one finds:

Navit seems the best, as already said.

Not sure that Gnome Maps or Marble are GPS aware.

Not in debian but maybe portable would be those in that list
  • Offroad OSM
  • uNav
  • Pure Maps
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Gnome Maps/OSM use the GeoClue service for finding your position/addresses near to you -

GNOME Maps - OpenStreetMap Wiki

wiki.openstreetmap.org wiki.openstreetmap.org
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Browser geolocation without GPS: quite accurate enough

In our various GeoClue presentations we've been arguing that location comes in many flavors, of which GPS is only one. In many cases cell tower position or even WiFi connection can provide quite
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GeoClue rises again

Those that have been following my blog for a longer time know that I’ve been talking a lot about making the Linux desktop and mobile platforms location aware.
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FBnil said:
Now the downside of Navit is that you have to select the pieces of map where you expect to travel (and pre-download them; or you'll be navigating on a blank screen). (and you need to do that at different resolutions). So with Pyra and the phonechip working, we might get internet like a mobilephone and be able to download these pieces on demand.
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Back on my Nokia E71 with GPS, I had to do that, but it was easy to download a map for a good half of western europe at decent detail even back then. Nowadays with the rise of opensteetmap, you can tell it to make you a zip file with all of the detail you require, but it does take a little time for the remote system to build all of that data into a zip file; I think it took a few hours when I got it to build me a zip of the UK a couple of years ago. But I remember when I went the Beijing with work, the map I downloaded for that only had a single ring road for the entirety of Beijing. That should be better served by openstreetmap data these days, although I'm not sure I can work out how to stop it all being in Chinese text.
 
There are a few options for GPS software as the Debian repo has few options, like FoxtrotGPS, Viking GPS... etc
 
elw3 said:
I wish everyone could stop talking about potential software that runs in the future and actually focus on getting the modem and gps to work to any degree at all.
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why don't you hack it like you did with the volume daemon
 
I tried a bunch of commands and my modem remained ded.
I asked others to run those commands too to verify its not a fault on my specific modem and there was ZERO participation in the topic.
I also contacted someone whose job it is to design modems for advise. He replied i am fucked.
 
elw3 said:
I tried a bunch of commands and my modem remained ded.
I asked others to run those commands too to verify its not a fault on my specific modem and there was ZERO participation in the topic.
I also contacted someone whose job it is to design modems for advise. He replied i am fucked.
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Can you pinpoint me to that thread. I have got a 4GEU version and I can spare some time whatever you need.
 
Nope, its scattered all around and i am too busy to look into the matter atm.
But if we could have a central thread where we actually collect and compare what everyone experiences with this modem thing that would be a good start.
There we could dump/develop scripts that collect information that we can use to verify which devices acts _normal_ having standard bugs and which of us experience oddities.
For example some report their modem appears and disappears, some report to have actually used it to connect to something, i experienced neither, so question is, where is the difference?
 
Maybe it is worth to start a new thread with the different scripts and tests a user must run in order to debug the problem.

That way we can upload our results and have all the information gathered in a single place.

Sadly I cannot help in anything else other than testing.
 
You could ask for support, e.g. on the pyra or letux kernel mailing list.
It is a while that I tested the modem last time but with LetuxOS it did work back then.
There is also some gps script to demonstrate basic functionality: https://git.goldelico.com/?p=letux-kernel.git;a=blob;f=Letux/root/gps-on;hb=refs/heads/letux-current
It should start the modem and turn on GPS and return the file name where NMEA records are presented.
The gps-demo script should even start FoxtrotGPS if installed.
I remember that it was not extremely reliable to get NMEA started but I think I did not fully understand the documentation.
But all this is not more like a "hey, it could work this way and did work once", not a user friendly or very robust installation for daily use.
 
asimov-solensan said:
Maybe it is worth to start a new thread with the different scripts and tests a user must run in order to debug the problem.
Sadly I cannot help in anything else other than testing.
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_the problem_? What problem?
For everyone this thing behaves different it appears.
And the type of testing we need right now is rather "put a simcard in, connect to the interweb".
And then REPORT what happens.
Supposedly this works, we have at least two ppl for which this works, so the software right now can do this. But not for everyone, thats the thing.
 
elw3 said:
_the problem_? What problem?
For everyone this thing behaves different it appears.
And the type of testing we need right now is rather "put a simcard in, connect to the interweb".
And then REPORT what happens.
Supposedly this works, we have at least two ppl for which this works, so the software right now can do this. But not for everyone, thats the thing.
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I would do this if I had a spare SIM card but I don't... still have to figure out where to get a prepaid or cheap subscription SIM card.


Edit: ordered a prepaid SIM to test this, I dont have a pyra with a modem for nothing, I'll get back to you.
 
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Coolio.

And could someone of you could make this collective experience thread for real then? I wont touch this topic anymore.
 
For GPS: just tried with letux-5.13.0 kernel (incl. one patch not yet upstream that fixes a boot issue).

Code: 
root@letux:~# cat $(./gps-on)
./gps-on: line 13: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input
[  955.045999] wwan_on_off_rfkill_set_block: blocked: 0
[  955.051828] wwan_on_off_set_power:on = 1
[  955.057049] wwan_on_off_is_powered_on: gpio value = 1
[  955.062509] wwan_on_off_is_powered_on: return 'true'
[  955.072039] wwan_on_off_set_power: state 1
[  955.076969] wwan_on_off_set_power: regulator 1
[  955.081979] wwan_on_off_set_power: done
AT^SGPSC="Engine","0"
^SGPSC: "Engine","0"
OK
AT^SGPSC="Nmea/Glonass","on"
+CME ERROR: operation failed
AT^SGPSC="Engine","1"
^SGPSC: "Engine","1"
OK
AT^SGPSC="Nmea/Freq",1
^SGPSC: "Nmea/Freq",1
OK
AT^SGPSC="Nmea/Output","on"
^SGPSC: "Nmea/Output","on"
OK
AT^SGPSC="Nmea/Urc","on"
^SGPSC: "Nmea/Urc","on"
OK
AT^SGPSC="Power/Antenna","auto"
+CME ERROR: operation failed
$GNGNS,,,,,,NN,,,,,,*53
$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K,N*2C
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*1E
$GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*00
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
$GNGNS,,,,,,NN,,,,,,*53
$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K,N*2C
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*1E
$GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*00
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
$GNGNS,,,,,,NN,,,,,,*53
$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K,N*2C
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*1E
$GNGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*00
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
$GNGNS,,,,,,NN,,,,,,*53
$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K,N*2C
Not perfect, but there are NMEA messages... Haven't tried position capture since I am indoors.
Maybe it works because I have a SIM inserted?
 
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