Kyo
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Yeah, I'm canceling my preorder. Thanks for all the fish.
Here Is What Will Be Happening.
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user47alpha said:
I do agree with you, I think we got a bit too involved. And The OP definitely has more experience in this field than the most of us.
Good luck. I'm looking forward to receiving my 3500-4000 order before easter
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shunun said:You guy's need to cool it a bit.. this arguing isn't going to get things done faster. What we need to do is wait until monday and hope that everything's good enough for the factory to make some cases. And if not, then we vent our frustration
But if they cool it then who will entertain us for the week-end?
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tsh
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I'd tend to guess that the intent of shipping these cases was to demonstrate mechanical fixes to the mould, based on whatever feedback was given last time round.
Even the bad fixing/crack in the lid isn't a show stopper for me, but I'm also open to persuasion that this is the type of defect that is to be expected with a batch of 20 cases (machine not fully up to temperature, plastic mix not 100%). Already we seem to have resolved that the final finishing did not occur (but that would actually hide blemishes, so there is some sense in mechanical samples not using it).
1. Take 500/1000 cases (which in themselves are not worth much, 10,000 were ordered in total)
2. Clarify that this is to approve the final production quality.
3. Hope these 500 cases are 'perfect' - at this stage no-one can judge that.
4. if the cases are not perfect, ship only to people who are happy with the cases 'as is'
5. case replacement remains a cost option, maybe discounted for the first 500 (e.g. free fitting or half price)
I don't see a large number asking for cases as they are at the moment, and it is probably fair to expect customers to find out (read the forums) and agree rather than a mailout to everyone who is ordered. It might help to roll out the userbase slowly too.
Even the bad fixing/crack in the lid isn't a show stopper for me, but I'm also open to persuasion that this is the type of defect that is to be expected with a batch of 20 cases (machine not fully up to temperature, plastic mix not 100%). Already we seem to have resolved that the final finishing did not occur (but that would actually hide blemishes, so there is some sense in mechanical samples not using it).
1. Take 500/1000 cases (which in themselves are not worth much, 10,000 were ordered in total)
2. Clarify that this is to approve the final production quality.
3. Hope these 500 cases are 'perfect' - at this stage no-one can judge that.
4. if the cases are not perfect, ship only to people who are happy with the cases 'as is'
5. case replacement remains a cost option, maybe discounted for the first 500 (e.g. free fitting or half price)
I don't see a large number asking for cases as they are at the moment, and it is probably fair to expect customers to find out (read the forums) and agree rather than a mailout to everyone who is ordered. It might help to roll out the userbase slowly too.
Esn
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Finally, a bit of optimism...MWeston said:
Anyway, I'm resigned to waiting at this point.
I don't care too much about perfectly straight edges, but I don't like the discoloration and the hinge thing.
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Wootson
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If there is still grease on the cases, this can only mean one thing: no finishing layer. These cases come straight out of the mold and were then put into a box and shipped to OpenPandora. Chinese must have thought that OpenPandora only wanted to see the build quality (which I reckon IS very good at the moment), and not the finishing layer. This layer could not be added in the time that's left before Chinese New Year, so they just send out the unfinished cases instead.
The cases look quite dull black, so the finishing layer is definitely not on there yet. The scratches and all that would then also be gone. Only thing weird about it are the little broken pieces at the hinge area. This can also be that way because these were the first few cases that were made in that mold. Maybe something got stuck in the mold. They also managed to get these problems on the first revision and later eliminated that in the second one. So it is most surely not a broken or damaged mold.
If OpenPandora ever wants to see the final-final-final quality of these 3rd revision cases, they just have to go on and trust this Chinese manufacturer. There is no other choice. Roll the press!
The cases look quite dull black, so the finishing layer is definitely not on there yet. The scratches and all that would then also be gone. Only thing weird about it are the little broken pieces at the hinge area. This can also be that way because these were the first few cases that were made in that mold. Maybe something got stuck in the mold. They also managed to get these problems on the first revision and later eliminated that in the second one. So it is most surely not a broken or damaged mold.
If OpenPandora ever wants to see the final-final-final quality of these 3rd revision cases, they just have to go on and trust this Chinese manufacturer. There is no other choice. Roll the press!
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Kyosys said:
Cancelling? Wait for the week and find out about their decision, that's what I'm gonna do.
If I feel that I dont want to wait longer, and they decide they want to spend time getting better molds, then I'll cancel.
Here's what I did in the meantime to ease the stress!
Bought a grey PSP-2000 on eBay for $AU145, good condition came with a cool case.
Hacked it with latest CFW. Installed web browsers, flash players, themes and homebrew games.
Also backed up the 6 games that came with it.
Bought a 8Gb card, loaded it with all the iso games, (22) homebrew games, (~400)music and (3)movies.
Right now just downloading new iso's (got 5, still searching for the other 8 I want).
It feels like I will have much more fun with this than Pandora (the huge library of games)
I think its benefits will outweigh the disadv (no 2nd Nub, no word processing--> i only word process on my laptop ne ways)
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Kyosys said:
DIBS!
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Well, well, well I've been asleep 8 hours, and I see much hasn't changed! LOL
I wake up and see Michael has made a few replies to comments and questions, which all seem very sound! The reply to going to China and punching in faces is still putting a smile on my face. I haven't laughed that hard on these boards EVER. Some of you guys are way nuts, but I love you all.
Today is a new day, and I feel refreshed and renewed! What's going on is a little discerning, but not the end of the world. For those of us who have been waiting 2+ years, this is just another hiccup in the Openpandora Ltd. crazy life cycle(Paypal,banks,nubs, you all know what I mean)! For those who want to cancel, I understand completly(I may join you somewhere down the line). There are no hard feelings. For those of us choosing to wait, let's see what the mould company has to say later today or monday. I believe Craig said Fatih is off on sundays, so even though the Chinese will be up and running later today, depending on where you all are in the world, our connection may not be able to talk until later on tommorow!
I remember reading early on from 1 or more team members, that the sample case process would NEVER match the big run quality. I don't know where that assuption changed, but I think if it is true, whomever said it originally should restate it for the forums! I always assumed that these test cases where just to make sure components fit, and that buttons and keys funtioned properly. The factory came very close with rev 1, and then with case 2 got it perfect. So, from what I remember reading, this should be of no suprise to no one! Once the functionality was on point, they should have been giving the green light for a production run!
I'm no mould expert, my only similar experiance is with concrete in construction! Which uses forms(moulds), and they have to be sprayed also with a releasing agent, so the form can be remove(concrete is to heavy to move, so the forms are removed from the crete). Similar problems happen when small things are done(curbs, sidewalks, ect,) Tempature and cold play a part in how the concrete cures(dries). When huge casinos are done, they take samples on every floor(and from every pour), and perfect the process right in the begining, as they can't afford for the lower floors to not support higher floors due to poor quality! Which has happened! The new City Center Resort here in vegas, had one building have to stop 10-15 floors lower than intended, due to a lower grade of concrete that was use(someones @#$%up), that wasn't designed to weight specifications! I'm quessing the plastic pellets used in moulds come in thousands of varities, for differant specs!
Everyone gets a fresh new 24 hour day, no matter race, religion, or location! So unless a few of our forum members past away last night, take your new day, and lets start on a positive note. It's OK, to be pissed at the end of the day, but you should try and start the new day in a better place!
Chris
I wake up and see Michael has made a few replies to comments and questions, which all seem very sound! The reply to going to China and punching in faces is still putting a smile on my face. I haven't laughed that hard on these boards EVER. Some of you guys are way nuts, but I love you all.
Today is a new day, and I feel refreshed and renewed! What's going on is a little discerning, but not the end of the world. For those of us who have been waiting 2+ years, this is just another hiccup in the Openpandora Ltd. crazy life cycle(Paypal,banks,nubs, you all know what I mean)! For those who want to cancel, I understand completly(I may join you somewhere down the line). There are no hard feelings. For those of us choosing to wait, let's see what the mould company has to say later today or monday. I believe Craig said Fatih is off on sundays, so even though the Chinese will be up and running later today, depending on where you all are in the world, our connection may not be able to talk until later on tommorow!
I remember reading early on from 1 or more team members, that the sample case process would NEVER match the big run quality. I don't know where that assuption changed, but I think if it is true, whomever said it originally should restate it for the forums! I always assumed that these test cases where just to make sure components fit, and that buttons and keys funtioned properly. The factory came very close with rev 1, and then with case 2 got it perfect. So, from what I remember reading, this should be of no suprise to no one! Once the functionality was on point, they should have been giving the green light for a production run!
I'm no mould expert, my only similar experiance is with concrete in construction! Which uses forms(moulds), and they have to be sprayed also with a releasing agent, so the form can be remove(concrete is to heavy to move, so the forms are removed from the crete). Similar problems happen when small things are done(curbs, sidewalks, ect,) Tempature and cold play a part in how the concrete cures(dries). When huge casinos are done, they take samples on every floor(and from every pour), and perfect the process right in the begining, as they can't afford for the lower floors to not support higher floors due to poor quality! Which has happened! The new City Center Resort here in vegas, had one building have to stop 10-15 floors lower than intended, due to a lower grade of concrete that was use(someones @#$%up), that wasn't designed to weight specifications! I'm quessing the plastic pellets used in moulds come in thousands of varities, for differant specs!
Everyone gets a fresh new 24 hour day, no matter race, religion, or location! So unless a few of our forum members past away last night, take your new day, and lets start on a positive note. It's OK, to be pissed at the end of the day, but you should try and start the new day in a better place!
Chris
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As far as I can see the sample case hasn't been put through a finishing process in a vibrator/thumbler. That would certainly remove any scratches and rough edges.
As for the rest, I think everyone needs to calm down and wait until we have more info.
As for the rest, I think everyone needs to calm down and wait until we have more info.
Just my opinion about the cases, since I don't know anything about plastic:
I'm fairly optimistic about the cases. The only explanation I can think of for their sending 7 versions of the same part with the same crack in it, is that the cracks weren't there when the parts were put in the shipping box. Maybe they were shipped without being completely cooled, or the company sped up the cooling process to meet the shipping deadline. It's hard to imagine them sending parts for 1000 cases with the same structural flaw.
I think the main concern is that if we want all 4000 cases before the Chinese New Year, there won't be any time to further refine the moulding process for the first batch. Perhaps more important than OP receiving the first 1000 cases a few days earlier than the rest, would be the Chinese factory examining them for errors and flaws.
Also, given the possibility of having no silk screen versus a silk screening with errors, it might be preferable to have no silk screen. Many portable devices don't have any indication about what the indicator lights mean, and for those that do, I never look for that information on the device anyway.
Anyway, I trust the OP team to make whatever decisions need to be made. As long as we have a translator who is fluent in whatever dialect the people at the factory use, a lot of the issues should be cleared up in a short time.
I'm fairly optimistic about the cases. The only explanation I can think of for their sending 7 versions of the same part with the same crack in it, is that the cracks weren't there when the parts were put in the shipping box. Maybe they were shipped without being completely cooled, or the company sped up the cooling process to meet the shipping deadline. It's hard to imagine them sending parts for 1000 cases with the same structural flaw.
I think the main concern is that if we want all 4000 cases before the Chinese New Year, there won't be any time to further refine the moulding process for the first batch. Perhaps more important than OP receiving the first 1000 cases a few days earlier than the rest, would be the Chinese factory examining them for errors and flaws.
Also, given the possibility of having no silk screen versus a silk screening with errors, it might be preferable to have no silk screen. Many portable devices don't have any indication about what the indicator lights mean, and for those that do, I never look for that information on the device anyway.
Anyway, I trust the OP team to make whatever decisions need to be made. As long as we have a translator who is fluent in whatever dialect the people at the factory use, a lot of the issues should be cleared up in a short time.
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pandora is linux based which is known for being used "underground" or kind or home made, by a small group of developers, the case will kind or reflect that ascetic.
pandora is not DS, or PSP it is pandora
As long as it serves its function and does not crack or anything it will be great
pandora is not DS, or PSP it is pandora
As long as it serves its function and does not crack or anything it will be great
Butterman
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roberthoward45 said:
Maybe 10 years ago. Linux is hardly "underground" nowadays.
Something like 60% of web servers are estimated to be using Linux.
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NickLoTurco
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This is quite depressing. At least when more revisions were needed we could see light at the end of the tunnel, having a new revision with worse flaws than the last revision seems to have extinguished that light somewhat. I take it a severe bollocking will be on it's way to the factory on monday??? I'd raise holy fucking hell.
That is not true. There are thousands of products that runs linux. Both highly professional and what you call "home made". We have paid for a high quality product and I don't think that the developers have spent years developing the Pandora to have a case that look unfinished.roberthoward45 said:
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Monk
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At this stage, especially with the way the forum seems to have turned into a back-biting Olympics, I can really see the attraction of being a second batcher.
NickLoTurco
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Has EvilDragon come off twitter???
mali
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No, he's still thereNickLoTurco said:
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hch
no thanks
Kyosys said:
that's really sad. you were one of the first to order and so enthusiastic back then.
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