An update of the waiting game

Discussion in 'Pyra News' started by EvilDragon, May 3, 2018.

  1. OrR

    OrR Corporate games suck.

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    Coincidentally, I work at the same company in the same department. xD Get us the basic PCB specs and/or the data and we can get you a quote.
     
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  2. Zwerg01

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    The OpenPyra is an open project. So you can download the needed files... oh wait, you can't
     
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  3. Autian

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    ED will provide them to the public as soon as the pyra is finally out as far as I know... He wants to prevent clones during the development.
     
  4. Zwerg01

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    Ok, good. So OrR is able to provide a quote after the release.
     
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  6. TrashyMG

    TrashyMG Sarcasm Dispenser Staff Member

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    Well you can get the schematics right now, the PCB design like EvilDragon stated in the past will be released when the Pyras are released. Nothing is stopping EvilDragon to inquire more with OrR, just he needs to have insurances to prevent the designs to be stolen...
     
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  7. Zwerg01

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    open
    stolen
    prevent
    community driven
    asking for permission

    How does it fit together?
     
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  8. Swordfish II

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    By not being obtuse
     
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  9. Failbert

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    ED has an idea (or more specifically- a good initial design), but a small team and limited resources. And let's say there's a slightly bigger company who has more experience and a big team to iron out the pre-production problems (By this I mean the ones the Pyra is facing right now), and better prices for manufacturing. If ED publishes schematics and just general designs and documents ongoing problems, he might hope for crowdsourcing some ideas and solutions for these problems. If he publishes complete circuit designs, CAM files etc., the time during in he and his small team waits on his European suppliers/subcontractors and works on solving these ongoing problems might prove just enough for the slightly bigger and more experienced company to solve these problems themselves and, by bringing the complete designs to their suppliers/subcontractors, produce a Pyra, whether a better or worse-made one sooner and possibly cheaper, and destroy ED's chance of making a profit- they'd have the skill to finish and deliver one, but obviously didn't have the initial idea. For this idea the Pyra team deserve the right to make money off of it, and I still think it's fair to call it open even if it's "opened up" for cloning after the first run of mass production.

    tl;dr: the main guy wants to secure first mass-production for himself, if he'd reveal all the designs which are nearly ready-to-make he'd risk someone putting out a pyra sooner and making him incapable of earning (or actually: earning back what he invested) money. That's how I see it.
     
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  10. elvissteinjr

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    It's not that rare for open source projects to only surface after they're in an usable state, so I don't get the fuzz about the Pyra only being open after the first mass production run in comparison.
     
  11. Binky

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    @Zwerg01:

    I'm not sure what your motives are, but I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could refrain from making that sort of snarky comment. If you have well-thought-through suggestions for the project, they're welcome - but if all you can do is make cheap jibes, is there any chance you could do it elsewhere? Nobody's forcing you to visit this forum.

    Hardware projects of this complexity are extremely difficult to run on a tight budget, and ED has made outstanding progress with work that very few people would even attempt. That should be a cause for celebration, not complaint!
     
  12. mclien

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    All this is of course not a problem at all. Normaly companies agree to confidential terms on these cases. Plus they only get the the gerber data and produce soley PCB, so it is not much difference to GC asking other companies for producing PCBs.
    There is a difference between providing production data to a PCB company (under confidential terms for the time till release) or make ALL production data public.

    The main idea is; getting the best possible quality and perhaps having somewhat direct contacts. But since there seem to be a bit difficulties to get the right quality and amount of PCBs, I don't see why not look into it if it fits (especialy having 2 forum members willing to help)
     
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  13. WizardStan

    WizardStan Mega GP Mania

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    All open source projects, every single license, every last one without a single solitary exception says that you have the right to the "source code" (in whatever form that takes IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE FINAL PRODUCT. GPL, Apache, BSD, all of them basically state that, if you have the end product, you have the right to modify it.
    YOU DO NOT HAVE THE END PRODUCT! By THE definition of the open source initiative you have exactly zero rights to download anything. Your complaining about not being able to download something that you have no right to demonstrates that you have no idea what Open Source actually is.
     
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  14. FBnil

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    Listen, all I am interested in is the WEIGHT of the software. Because I do not want my Pyra to be heavier than it needs to be (arms get tired due to heavy use).

    I'll let myself out...
     
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  15. Grench

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    @Zwerg01: I still welcome you to the forums. I kinda think I get what you mean, even though I do not like your skeptic tone (a critical tone, sure, lots of critics here and they make great valid points)

    What I'm trying to say is what CaptainDisillusion tried to convey (takes a while to get to the point):



    Now, if you are very interested and involved with the Pyra, maybe you could write a letter to those companies that create the blobs (not Stallman compatible) to release their schematics and/or software....
     
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  17. Wrath Of Khan

    Wrath Of Khan Soul soother...

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    Getting anxious for a pyra now. I doubt I will get mine before the end of july as I am going on a long trip. December looks more likely for pyras release I think...
     
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  18. Hồng Thất Công

    Hồng Thất Công Đả Cẩu Bổng Pháp

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    How do you pronouce Zwerg01? I pronouce Jerk01 :D
     
  19. Zwerg01

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    Linus put Linux in 1992 under GPL. From then on, you had and have the right to download, modify, fork whenever you want. From any version, nightly build etc. So which "end product" you had to have was neccesary to do that?

    Your conclusion is even more wired. What has downloading to do with modification? If your first statment is right, what is the point? I am not allowed to download it, because i am not allowed to modify it? THis is complete nonsens. It only prevents people to join the project and help. e.g. getting quotes from different company. You can put the scematics and layouts under by-nc-nd to make clear, no one else can use them to make a commercial product out of it. By 2018, i can not find any licence information on the website. Anouncing it as open is, for me, only a marketing gag.

    Every person that is member of this forum AND lost 330 to 400€ is allowed to call me a Jerk.
     
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  20. sm0kew0n

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    Lost 330 euros? I don't think so, advanced 330 euros with the express purpose of producing the most awesome handheld ever more like! So, as I haven't lost any money I can't call you a jerk, not sure what you're point is though, are you suggesting that if ED had acted differently you would have able to significantly contribute to the design and manufacturing process? And without your help the project is doomed?
     
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