I've seen this comment before. If I could map it Dvorak and efficiently touch type... Stop right there. Nobody bigger than a Keebler elf can touch type on these. It's a 5" wide thumb keyboard. Dvorak is made 100% for -touch- typing speed - NOT thumb typing speed. It is simply yields nothing to this design.
hahaha, glad I stopped to read that back and forth. It made my day.
Cool! What do I need to do to make it to the top of your list?
Everyone else gets the same qwerty keymap they usually use to type with on both their Pandora and their desktop, I'd like the same thing, but I type with Dvorak. Just because you think it isn't useful to me doesn't mean it should be made impossible for me to have the keymap I want.
I could be proved wrong, but given that the development costs are likely in the range of $5K to $15K per keymat version, I suspect that there will only be -one- keymat printed for production. Dvorak has no typing speed boost over QWERTY in a thumb keyboard. One handed Dvorak, maybe. However, with only ONE version of the keymat ever likely to get created, you think that the
%? of the computing population using Dvorak keyboards should take priority over the rest of the planet?
This exactly.
Five to ten thousand just to replace the Qwerty layout and apply a Dvorak labeling always seemed extraordinary. It's not like there is alterations to the plastic underneath the keycaps or modifications to the mould. Wonder why it's so expensive to do these sort of surface level customizations?I could be proved wrong, but given that the development costs are likely in the range of $5K to $15K per keymat version, I suspect that there will only be -one- keymat printed for production. Dvorak has no typing speed boost over QWERTY in a thumb keyboard. One handed Dvorak, maybe. However, with only ONE version of the keymat ever likely to get created, you think that the
Or do you think that on a device predicted to sell 20,000 units or so, an additional $10K or so should be spent on a keymat that only 600 units are likely to get ordered with? It would only add $17 per unit of production costs - so maybe it is? Or maybe that would be something that a devoted user would cover the production cost of themselves and sell on the side as a hardware hack?
It's not.Five to ten thousand just to replace the Qwerty layout and apply a Dvorak labeling always seemed extraordinary. It's not like there is alterations to the plastic underneath the keycaps or modifications to the mould. Wonder why it's so expensive to do these sort of surface level customizations?I could be proved wrong, but given that the development costs are likely in the range of $5K to $15K per keymat version, I suspect that there will only be -one- keymat printed for production. Dvorak has no typing speed boost over QWERTY in a thumb keyboard. One handed Dvorak, maybe. However, with only ONE version of the keymat ever likely to get created, you think that the
Or do you think that on a device predicted to sell 20,000 units or so, an additional $10K or so should be spent on a keymat that only 600 units are likely to get ordered with? It would only add $17 per unit of production costs - so maybe it is? Or maybe that would be something that a devoted user would cover the production cost of themselves and sell on the side as a hardware hack?
I was interested in the why it costs so much to reshuffle the letters around for production for say a Qwerty and a Qwertz layout which differ only by one letter/vowel. The process involved and why they charge so much for it.It's not.Five to ten thousand just to replace the Qwerty layout and apply a Dvorak labeling always seemed extraordinary. It's not like there is alterations to the plastic underneath the keycaps or modifications to the mould. Wonder why it's so expensive to do these sort of surface level customizations?I could be proved wrong, but given that the development costs are likely in the range of $5K to $15K per keymat version, I suspect that there will only be -one- keymat printed for production. Dvorak has no typing speed boost over QWERTY in a thumb keyboard. One handed Dvorak, maybe. However, with only ONE version of the keymat ever likely to get created, you think that the
Or do you think that on a device predicted to sell 20,000 units or so, an additional $10K or so should be spent on a keymat that only 600 units are likely to get ordered with? It would only add $17 per unit of production costs - so maybe it is? Or maybe that would be something that a devoted user would cover the production cost of themselves and sell on the side as a hardware hack?
I don't know prices, but ED suggested that if there are ~500 people interested in alternative labels (e.g. for a localized layout like AZERTY), then he could make them. If it would have a fixed development cost of $10K to do that, not counting production cost, handling and shipping, and profit, then ED would have to charge them probably around $50 extra. So I suppose that the actual fixed cost is less than $10K.
Anyway, the point is kind of moot since no way there are 500 people who want Dvorak labels.
But it could very well be that ED decides to make e.g. two variants: an international one with a QWERTY layout, and a German one with a QWERTZ layout and dedicated or at least labeled Ü Ö Ä ß keys.
