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In all seriousness, IIRC it was 500 a week? So yes. Two MonthsTM

We might want to TM 500 a week also, it might be useful in the future... So yes, 500 a week.

 

[EvilDragon]

In all seriousness, IIRC it was 500 a week? So yes. Two MonthsTM

Yes... but what scares me is that that's an estimation from the company itself... :/

 

[Tokiopop]

February for end of 1st batch?

 

[Norfen]

Yes... but what scares me is that that's an estimation from the company itself... :/

Personally, I think they made the perfectly logical business decision of not producing boards until they had nubs (Although they didn't have to lie). Now that we have Trey visiting them and all the nubs on the way, they should start producing properly. I would've been fine with them telling us that they won't make boards until they have nubs.

 

[Caine]

Yes... but what scares me is that that's an estimation from the company itself... :/

They have already produced a 1000 units last summer. Don't you have any realistic time estimate from back then?

 

[WizardStan]

Personally, I think they made the perfectly logical business decision of not producing boards until they had nubs (Although they didn't have to lie). Now that we have Trey visiting them and all the nubs on the way, they should start producing properly. I would've been fine with them telling us that they won't make boards until they have nubs.

As has been said many times over, no one is arguing that they made a poor business decision in waiting. Pretty much everyone shares your opinion: waiting for nubs definitely makes the most sense. The complaint is always that they lied about it. Now that they've shown that they'll lie to keep business, how can ED and the rest trust that "500 per week" isn't yet another lie just to keep them from seeking alternatives? Maybe they promise 500 per week, but only get 200, and start with excuses as to why they aren't producing the 500, and ED will roll over and accept their lies and promises that, next week, they'll have more jigs that'll definitely get it up to 500...

 

[Link]

As has been said many times over, no one is arguing that they made a poor business decision in waiting. Pretty much everyone shares your opinion: waiting for nubs definitely makes the most sense. The complaint is always that they lied about it. Now that they've shown that they'll lie to keep business, how can ED and the rest trust that "500 per week" isn't yet another lie just to keep them from seeking alternatives? Maybe they promise 500 per week, but only get 200, and start with excuses as to why they aren't producing the 500, and ED will roll over and accept their lies and promises that, next week, they'll have more jigs that'll definitely get it up to 500...

If they make 200 per week, that means it is going to take them almost 20 weeks (way more than Two Months™) to finish 4000 boards, tying up their equipment. Let's see how long it takes them to say we have 500 ready to roll. The fact they get paid when Batch 1 is done will keep them working.

 

[Trey]

As has been said many times over, no one is arguing that they made a poor business decision in waiting. Pretty much everyone shares your opinion: waiting for nubs definitely makes the most sense. The complaint is always that they lied about it. Now that they've shown that they'll lie to keep business, how can ED and the rest trust that "500 per week" isn't yet another lie just to keep them from seeking alternatives? Maybe they promise 500 per week, but only get 200, and start with excuses as to why they aren't producing the 500, and ED will roll over and accept their lies and promises that, next week, they'll have more jigs that'll definitely get it up to 500...

Right now 500 per week is just a number someone pulled out of their butt. It's a guess; maybe an educated guess but still a guess. Right now the true board production per week is NaN. Let's get hard figures first.

 

[Norfen]

As has been said many times over, no one is arguing that they made a poor business decision in waiting. Pretty much everyone shares your opinion: waiting for nubs definitely makes the most sense. The complaint is always that they lied about it. Now that they've shown that they'll lie to keep business, how can ED and the rest trust that "500 per week" isn't yet another lie just to keep them from seeking alternatives? Maybe they promise 500 per week, but only get 200, and start with excuses as to why they aren't producing the 500, and ED will roll over and accept their lies and promises that, next week, they'll have more jigs that'll definitely get it up to 500...

This is true, but its not like we have a choice of moving. It would take months to get another company set up for making pandoraboards.

 

[emcee]

As has been said many times over, no one is arguing that they made a poor business decision in waiting. Pretty much everyone shares your opinion: waiting for nubs definitely makes the most sense. The complaint is always that they lied about it. Now that they've shown that they'll lie to keep business, how can ED and the rest trust that "500 per week" isn't yet another lie just to keep them from seeking alternatives? Maybe they promise 500 per week, but only get 200, and start with excuses as to why they aren't producing the 500, and ED will roll over and accept their lies and promises that, next week, they'll have more jigs that'll definitely get it up to 500...

Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself, and believe me, I've been trying.


This wasn't a "white lie" to keep OPT calm. The OP team aren't children, they can handle the truth. And more importantly, they deserve it. This was a normal lie. The type of lie you tell when you want to keep a customer from seeking alternatives. As Link put it in another thread CircuitCo is "the only plant on the planet that can currently produce this board at this point in time". Well, why is that? Maybe because if CircuitCo had simply said four months ago that they weren't going make more boards until they had nubs, OPT could have got the ball rolling immediately setting up an alternative supplier. But I guess that was the whole point.


OPT needs to get something back out of this. It's good that they're talking to a lawyer. But does the board company know? I'm not saying OPT should sue, but CircuitCo has to know it's on the table. If after all this OPT can't get them to sign a written contract saying the they'll produce x amount of boards within a specific time frame, it's just another way of them saying "we want to have the option of pulling this shit again".


I really want this project to succeed. When Craig was asking for community investors, I PMed him to say I was willing to invest $3000. Now I don't think so. Not because I was expecting some big return on my investment (that would be dumb), but because I was looking to invest to help the project succeed, and I now see no amount of money is going to make that happen if OPT is unwilling to reign in their suppliers. What happens if Trey goes back two weeks from now, and they have maybe another 100 boards or so? Is OPT just going to push the goalpost back a little farther?

 

[SNESFAN]

....Is OPT just going to push the goalpost back a little farther?

yep.. and I believe it would be time number 41 ... not that anyone is counting.

 

[Link]

I think CC knows they dropped the ball. They are shipping parts for the ICP to Germany, a contract they had. So if in Two Months™ they are no longer producing Pandora boards, we'll know why. Until Taiwan is up and producing MWeston approved boards Texas is all we got. Texas has done well exporting jobs in the last ten years.

 

[wardred]

Hopefully based off of experience BB and Panda Board production. Taking the whole thing with a large grain of sale, of course.


While there were no nubs involved, there were surface mount DVI, USB, and Ethernet connections.

 

[wardred]

emcee,


Hopefully investors would allow them to find the most consistent manufacturers. Unfortunately with relatively small runs somebody who produces for one batch may put off their order for the next batch. Except for the socketed nubs and maybe one or two other can be delayed tweaks, the modifications, which were also a large part of the delays, seem to be largely done. Hopefully now things can steady out.


Edit: I'd definitely want to see a LITTLE consistency in component manufacturing sometime after the Chinese new year before investing, or a definitive plan for sorting out the problems.

 

[elwing]

February for end of 1st batch?

hum, now + 2month = ?


yeas, seems right... til the end of december through...