Neelix
Insecticidal Maniac
I suspect it's the latter, which begs the question... What is it, and where can I get some?Maybe we're onto something? That or we're on something - I haven't decided which on this line of exploration.
-Neelix
I suspect it's the latter, which begs the question... What is it, and where can I get some?Maybe we're onto something? That or we're on something - I haven't decided which on this line of exploration.
Well, my problem with that is, many non-english keyboards have numbers readily accessible and have many punctuations behind AltGr. If it's not really a problem there, why would it be one here?WizardStan, on 06 Jun 2015 - 1:35 PM, said:
I'm going to disagree. Yeah, it's annoying to have numbers behind meta but it's also annoying to have punctuation and letters behind meta. It's not like Grench/_wb_ did that for kicks, it's a very legitimate tradeoff. It moves the numbers behind meta, but it brings a lot out at the same time. There's going to be compromises, this is a compromise that values punctuation and that P+1 L+2 bringing a lot of international support. It has a lot of practicality: I don't know if it would actually be good, I don't have to suffer the compose key on the Pandora to know what kind of hinderence this solves, but I do recognize a valid solution to a described problem and therefore a step forward. A step forward along a different path is still progress. If that path leads to a dead end then at least we can say it was tried. If the path dead ends and people keep pushing for it anyway then it's going to hinder progress but that's not the case yet.alanjf, on 06 Jun 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:
At the very least numbers should be on their own row, top level. Having numbers behind Meta will be just as annoying for those of us that hate it when full size laptops put F-keys behind Fn.
So embrace the quirky! A lot of very good ideas have been realized because someone did something seemingly counterintuitive.
Personally I don't like it, the P+1 L+2 looks like a waste to my bland English brain. On the other hand, that's three keys on the opposite of shift+meta ripe for remapping so maybe it is good. hmm
Bad argument man. Just because something has been one way doesn't mean there isn't a better way.Maybe not in general, but when considering our unique position existing keyboards can only be used as a guide. Follow known standards as much as possible but something needs to give.If it's not really a problem there, why would it be one here?
It hasn't been: it was one idea, a branch, that Grench and _wb_ presented. It's not like everyhting that happened before was lost and we're now committed to Fn-row numbers.The argument in favour of them is actually pretty good. I'm thinking about it: typically, with few exceptions, when I want numbers I want several at once, but for the most part I don't use them. I use colon and semicolon and various brackets far more often than digits, and that includes programming. I can see the benefit of bringing out the brackets at the expense of pushing back the numbers.I just don't think the usefulness of a dedicated number row should be over-looked
≡ is the pre-programmed shortcut to the Pyra's hardware menu. I.e. it pulls up a menu/overlay that allows you to turn radios and USB and HDMI on/off, etc...I think I like your version more than _wb_'s (in this Grench-class of keyboards).
What the heck is ≡?
I might move a few things around (moving `~ over to a less important position):
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/0713affc99b9664eb98cd749cd23280c
No offense taken. I still prefer non-Grench over Grench-style proposals.I asked my wife (who is an editor for the magazine of a well know international organization, so she writes for a living) what she thought about it, and she does like the keyboard layout and can see the benefits but no matter how hard I try to convince her, she still prefers this one:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/311248fd9de7ea818ae2e04845dda0ad
I also showed her the keyboard in Ible's last post, she didn't like that at all. (Sorry)
Mind, she's not geeky or nerdy. She's just a user of keyboards without any prejudice at all but hey, I like the Phone number block layout myself so I'm putting it out there anyway trying to convince you of how good my idea is.
You're very hard to understand sometimes. Do you like or not like these? It is very hard to tell from your message if you're happy to get P+1 and L+2 and full functionality or if you're lamenting having numbers and F1-F12 on the Fn layer. They were designed specifically to meet the needs that you have expressed while still maintaining full functionality for English, programming and gaming. Was the attempt successful? I.e. do you like it or should we scrap it and move on?Having "extra" keys, is the only meaningful way to improve on only being able to type English. At some point you are saying the pandora default is good enough, and anyone who considers it to be ineffective aren't important enough to sell pyras to. Thats not meeting the needs of the wider audience when the shortcoming is at that basic level.
Typewriter-functionality is compromise, and not something specific to Germans. In return for having more keys, more languages can be typed in the way languages are typed.
So those people are important, similarly having numbers and the basic things is important, at what point does having F-keys available on unmarked shoulders become crucial? To me its after the bus has run over a lot of people. Lets not fail to take into consideration what those users are saying now.
"For other reasons" is why those people even bought pandoras, but that doesnt cut it as far as why the keyboard is lacking, not with more keys anyway. It is possible to have both numbers and (29-30) letters.
I have made a dozen or more layouts - most based on derivations of other's, but several unique unto themselves. It seems a bit slighted to brand it as an on/off binary Grench Vs non-Grench. There are, after all, many of us creating many ideas.No offense taken. I still prefer non-Grench over Grench-style proposals.I asked my wife (who is an editor for the magazine of a well know international organization, so she writes for a living) what she thought about it, and she does like the keyboard layout and can see the benefits but no matter how hard I try to convince her, she still prefers this one:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/311248fd9de7ea818ae2e04845dda0ad
I also showed her the keyboard in Ible's last post, she didn't like that at all. (Sorry)
Mind, she's not geeky or nerdy. She's just a user of keyboards without any prejudice at all but hey, I like the Phone number block layout myself so I'm putting it out there anyway trying to convince you of how good my idea is.
I think I may prefer this of my own layouts:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/81113d4bd6bfadaa66dd9e913025ed7c
I had considered that. It winds up being functional, but a visual cluster-F.Just a stupid thought: what about making the double width key the Fn-whatever modifier. Giving 5 easy combos.
So far all I've concentrated on is symbol and key placement while trying to keep the aesthetics as non-awful as possible. (mapping)Q<font color="#ff4400"> <sup>1 !
I know advanced layout aint so clever but what do you think of having the numbers like this?