How to calculate a price for the Pyra


Any chance of being able to buy a second, backup unit at cost (ie, without the fixed/shared cost split like R&D)?
 
Any chance of being able to buy a second, backup unit at cost (ie, without the fixed/shared cost split like R&D)?
If that would be the case we should all pair up to get cheaper pyras for everyone :p

Can't see why that would be bad :oops:
 
I don't want to bother you again with the same thing @EvilDragon, but after the GPD success, don't you think there's enough room for a Pyra campaign? I think it can reach easily the goal and spread the word for more Pyra's future users.

I'll do a campaign if need be (i.e. if we can't get enough preorders).

A campaign is nice, but there are a couple of things:

  • You get the money approx. 1 month after the campaign. With preorders, I get it right away - so that means: I can order the mass production right after I got enough preorders, but with a campaign, the delay would be another month at least.
  • A crowdfunding site takes 10 - 15% (don't know exact how much) of the price. So the Pyra would be 550 instead of 500 EUR.
So if possible, I'd like to handle this with preorders - and if that doesn't work, with a Kickstarter campaign.
 
Suppose, there aren't enough preorders. Wouldn't the KS campaign appear "slow" if everyone on the boards who wanted one already preordered, and the campaign would essentially be dependent on those who haven't been following the development? Or would there be incentives for those who preordered to also participate in the campaign?
 
That's a good question that I need to think about thoroughly.
I could refund all preorders and switch to Kickstarter, but that would be somewhat annoying.

Also, on Kickstarter, you'd have to pay for the full price at once, with a preorder, it's only a part payment.

Hmm... so much to think about...
 
Hm, that might be an idea, as an increased production run would also lower the costs a tiny bit.
I'll think about what would be possible here.

If you did that, I would be in for 2 and would sign whatever you want saying I won't resell/undercut for x years.

With small production runs I worry about parts availability years down the road. So buying a backup gives me some security.
 
Hm, that might be an idea, as an increased production run would also lower the costs a tiny bit.
I'll think about what would be possible here.
A potential stretch goal: reach $XXX and everyone who ordered one can order a second one for YY% off?
 
A potential stretch goal: reach $XXX and everyone who ordered one can order a second one for YY% off?
I rather not ED doing this because it means that he would earn less money, as far as I understood, ED is going to need money to start the mass production, so there's no point for him and for us to do this.

I rather not having a discount.
 
ED will run the numbers, and see what might be doable! More pyra's in the world means more pyra exposure, which would be a good thing.
 
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I'll do a campaign if need be (i.e. if we can't get enough preorders).

A campaign is nice, but there are a couple of things:

You get the money approx. 1 month after the campaign. With preorders, I get it right away - so that means: I can order the mass production right after I got enough preorders, but with a campaign, the delay would be another month at least.
A crowdfunding site takes 10 - 15% (don't know exact how much) of the price. So the Pyra would be 550 instead of 500 EUR.

So if possible, I'd like to handle this with preorders - and if that doesn't work, with a Kickstarter campaign.

I think 1 month more or less is indifferent (compared with total time development/etc/shipping), and even in that month soft can be tweaked and more tuned.

About 10-15% price increment: It may be crodwfunding attract much more buyers, and then it may be you get lower price for some components/work. On other side I prefer to pay 10% more and to have a bigger community and visibility (more people attracted to it and bigger community).

On other side, if normal preordes (w/o crowdfunding) doesn't work, and you need to go to crowdfunding we would not only lose 1 month but it may be 2 or more.

I think that today a crowdfunding campaign gives a lot of visibility and auto-feeding advertising, as lot of blogs/etc echoes that crowdfunding. Even people who doesn't know Pyra project, if reach it without crowdfunding then they may thint it is not reliable (because they don't know this poyect, they don't knoe your history , etc); while, if they reach to Pyra from crowdfunding they may think the opposite -reliable (althought crowdfunding obviously has nothing to do with being or not reliable). The sensation of reliability for them is very different. And, even better, you can show a real product/prototypes running in your cwrowdfunding campaing, while others only can show a render/mockup but nothing more.
 
Or to get second pyras and resell them for $$$$ because... undercutting is fun?
Maybe the backup units could share a serial number and MAC addresses (and... other stuff that conflicts ugly?) with the main one, so it's less practical to cheat this way.
 
If your idea is that people will only buy a spare to actually use as a spare, having both units share a MAC won't make it very difficult to use both since it is extremely simple to spoof that.
 
Maybe the backup units could share a serial number and MAC addresses (and... other stuff that conflicts ugly?) with the main one, so it's less practical to cheat this way.
Hell no! If I'd get a second unit I'd also want to use it with the first one in multiplayer games. Closing down an open handheld is a horrible idea.
 
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