Glad to see, that I'm not the only one (have just finished the series a few days ago though).
For many people, freedom is just supposed to be part of the fictional realm after all.
How to calculate a price for the Pyra
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Glad to see, that I'm not the only one (have just finished the series a few days ago though).
For many people, freedom is just supposed to be part of the fictional realm after all.
erico
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Ive watched it many times.
You cant take the sky from me.
Yes i noticed but didnt bother.
You cant take the sky from me.
Yes i noticed but didnt bother.
It is funny that some people seem to look at a particular piece of technology, don't really get the point of it, and then assume that the people who are interested in it are the ones that need to be educated about it (otherwise they would see there was no point to it).
If the Pyra were designed to be competition to a smart phone for the audience to which current smart phones are very appealing, then it would indeed be well off the mark. However, that is not its goal.
Now if there is someone who puts Cyanogenmod on his smart phone and uses f-droid for apps, but still doesn't like the lack of a physical keyboard or gaming controls; if this someone resents how much of the processing power for his phone gets gobbled up by the operating system/user interface; if he wants to be able to run desktop type apps on a pocketable device; then we're seeing a candidate for Pyra ownership.
Really, comparing a Pyra to a smart phone just shows that you don't get it. The Pyra compares more favorably to a laptop. A smart phone is not a miniature laptop; the Pyra is. It also has enhancements, like the gaming controls, related to it's pocketable size (I carry my Pandora in a jacket pocket much of the time, but in the summer I can fit it in a pants pocket).
I use my Pandora to play music (smart phones aren't too bad at this, but it tends to eat up the battery). I use it to read books (somehow it's better than a smart phone for this, it may be to do with the physical controls). I use it to play games (it blows away smart phones for most genres of games). I use it to take notes (it blows away smart phones for this as well, at least for me). I use it to run desktop apps on a pocketable device (not really practical on a smart phone).
Incidentally, desktop versions of Web pages are terrible on smart phones. They're better on the Pandora, but its limited processing power and low vertical resolution can be overwhelmed by them. (Edit: It occurred to me that people who don't have a Pandora might find this hard to believe, thinking that the easy zooms on smart phones would be the deciding factor. Instead, it's the precise pointing device on the Pandora that makes it better than smart phones for this.) That will be much more difficult to do to the Pyra. Also, the effective processing power of the Pyra will be much greater compared to an Android device of the same specs. I'm anxiously awaiting a better version of my Pandora. My nephew is very interested as well (he's a Linux enthusiast also, probably my bad influence
).
If the Pyra were designed to be competition to a smart phone for the audience to which current smart phones are very appealing, then it would indeed be well off the mark. However, that is not its goal.
Now if there is someone who puts Cyanogenmod on his smart phone and uses f-droid for apps, but still doesn't like the lack of a physical keyboard or gaming controls; if this someone resents how much of the processing power for his phone gets gobbled up by the operating system/user interface; if he wants to be able to run desktop type apps on a pocketable device; then we're seeing a candidate for Pyra ownership.
Really, comparing a Pyra to a smart phone just shows that you don't get it. The Pyra compares more favorably to a laptop. A smart phone is not a miniature laptop; the Pyra is. It also has enhancements, like the gaming controls, related to it's pocketable size (I carry my Pandora in a jacket pocket much of the time, but in the summer I can fit it in a pants pocket).
I use my Pandora to play music (smart phones aren't too bad at this, but it tends to eat up the battery). I use it to read books (somehow it's better than a smart phone for this, it may be to do with the physical controls). I use it to play games (it blows away smart phones for most genres of games). I use it to take notes (it blows away smart phones for this as well, at least for me). I use it to run desktop apps on a pocketable device (not really practical on a smart phone).
Incidentally, desktop versions of Web pages are terrible on smart phones. They're better on the Pandora, but its limited processing power and low vertical resolution can be overwhelmed by them. (Edit: It occurred to me that people who don't have a Pandora might find this hard to believe, thinking that the easy zooms on smart phones would be the deciding factor. Instead, it's the precise pointing device on the Pandora that makes it better than smart phones for this.) That will be much more difficult to do to the Pyra. Also, the effective processing power of the Pyra will be much greater compared to an Android device of the same specs. I'm anxiously awaiting a better version of my Pandora. My nephew is very interested as well (he's a Linux enthusiast also, probably my bad influence
).
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With everything coming together and prototypes not far out, are there any updates to pricing estimates/trim levels and preorder dates?
I understand the estimates aren't exact, just wondering if they have been narrowed down anymore?
I understand the estimates aren't exact, just wondering if they have been narrowed down anymore?
levi
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We've been promised an accurate cost once the prototypes go on sale, as far as I recall. I don't know exactly how far off that is, but if you're right and they're not far out, it isn't long to wait.
I doubt many parts have been ordered yet, so until that happens it's hard to make an accurate estimate.
I doubt many parts have been ordered yet, so until that happens it's hard to make an accurate estimate.
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Buy one, get second 50% off.
bzar
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If that would be the case we should all pair up to get cheaper pyras for everyone
Can't see why that would be bad
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Or to get second pyras and resell them for $$$$ because... undercutting is fun?If that would be the case we should all pair up to get cheaper pyras for everyone
Can't see why that would be bad
Hm, that might be an idea, as an increased production run would also lower the costs a tiny bit.
I'll think about what would be possible here.
I'll think about what would be possible here.
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I don't want to bother you again with the same thing @EvilDragon, but after the GPD success, don't you think there's enough room for a Pyra campaign? I think it can reach easily the goal and spread the word for more Pyra's future users.
I'll do a campaign if need be (i.e. if we can't get enough preorders).
A campaign is nice, but there are a couple of things:
- You get the money approx. 1 month after the campaign. With preorders, I get it right away - so that means: I can order the mass production right after I got enough preorders, but with a campaign, the delay would be another month at least.
- A crowdfunding site takes 10 - 15% (don't know exact how much) of the price. So the Pyra would be 550 instead of 500 EUR.
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Suppose, there aren't enough preorders. Wouldn't the KS campaign appear "slow" if everyone on the boards who wanted one already preordered, and the campaign would essentially be dependent on those who haven't been following the development? Or would there be incentives for those who preordered to also participate in the campaign?
That's a good question that I need to think about thoroughly.
I could refund all preorders and switch to Kickstarter, but that would be somewhat annoying.
Also, on Kickstarter, you'd have to pay for the full price at once, with a preorder, it's only a part payment.
Hmm... so much to think about...
I could refund all preorders and switch to Kickstarter, but that would be somewhat annoying.
Also, on Kickstarter, you'd have to pay for the full price at once, with a preorder, it's only a part payment.
Hmm... so much to think about...
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If you did that, I would be in for 2 and would sign whatever you want saying I won't resell/undercut for x years.
With small production runs I worry about parts availability years down the road. So buying a backup gives me some security.
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A potential stretch goal: reach $XXX and everyone who ordered one can order a second one for YY% off?
I rather not ED doing this because it means that he would earn less money, as far as I understood, ED is going to need money to start the mass production, so there's no point for him and for us to do this.
I rather not having a discount.
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ED will run the numbers, and see what might be doable! More pyra's in the world means more pyra exposure, which would be a good thing.
