How to calculate a price for the Pyra

[EvilDragon]

The Blackberry Passport is 470 EUR and is still missing a desktop for me where I can work on LibreOffice documents... and it doesn't seem to have gaming controls, so I guess I could still only play casual games.

Is the browser capable of running full dektop websites properly?

Looks like I'd need another device besided the blackberry, so it would be even more expensive than the Pyra...

And yes, I know the workarounds to get APKs, but it's an annoying workaround.
Simply installing PlayStore and being able to install free apps without an account is asking too much?

 

[Serenity]

The Blackberry Passport is 470 EUR and is still missing a desktop for me where I can work on LibreOffice documents... and it doesn't seem to have gaming controls, so I guess I could still only play casual games.

Is the browser capable of running full dektop websites properly?

Looks like I'd need another device besided the blackberry, so it would be even more expensive than the Pyra...

And yes, I know the workarounds to get APKs, but it's an annoying workaround.
Simply installing PlayStore and being able to install free apps without an account is asking too much?

you will always need another device besides the pyra, because you can't make phone calls. Or are going outside without any phone?
Also, installing and setup the pandora was also really annoying. It was not so simple that everyone could do that.
You can use the integrated office tools to edit your libre office. For what you need a desktop? This is optimized for its screen and interfaces, so you don't need any desktop. What problem do you think will solve a desktop screen for you?
You can set your browser to prefer opening the desktop instead of the mobile version of a website.

 

[matzesu]

You also can make Phonecalls whit the Pyra, there is an UMTS/GPRS/GPS/ (Telefon) Modul which you can chose when you order the Pyra
The only Thing it cant is make Photos..

 

[EvilDragon]

you will always need another device besides the pyra, because you can't make phone calls. Or are going outside without any phone?

It has a fully fledged 3G/4G module, you can make phonecalls using a Bluetooth headset, a normal headset or the built-in microphone and speaker.

Not convenient or someone who mostly needs a phone, but enough for me.

Also, installing and setup the pandora was also really annoying. It was not so simple that everyone could do that.

Installing a Pandora?
Switch on, enter your name, choose your timezone and preferred UI.
Then insert an SD-Card, download PNDManager (which will be done automatically when you click on the link on the desktop).

PNDManager is like Google Play Store, you simply browse, choose what you want to have, automatically install, uninstall and update it with one click.

Where's that more complex than installing your Google Smartphone?
It's the same steps (except that you don't need to create an account).

If you only know the first releases of the Pandora OS, you should compare it to the first releases of Android as well, where something like the PlayStore didn't exist and you needed to download apks manually as well..

 

[WizardStan]

Also, installing and setup the pandora was also really annoying. It was not so simple that everyone could do that.

It has never been difficult. Even from the beginning the most complicated thing that needed to be done was copying files into a directory.
To be fair we did encounter people that had difficulty with even that but I don't think we can blame the Pandora for that, there are some really ... something... that shouldn't go anywhere near technology without a translator.

 

[DaMummy]

I wish ED wouldn't waste breath on these...and get back in the dungeon creating our precious.

 

[FaeMinx]

Mere mortals who are slavishly controled by trends cannot hope to comprehend the unique power of Pyra that we command thanks to opening Pandora's box...

 

[Klumpen]

I wish ED wouldn't waste breath on these...and get back in the dungeon creating our precious.

Yay, linking to a specific position works now, I love this new board.

 

[hlidegp2x]

I wish there was a FPGA. Having one will allow more fun "programming" than the DSP one. I'm pretty sure it may lead to great hardware emulation of some game consoles parts (graphical, audio, and so on) for instance.
[doublepost=1451133780,1451132949][/doublepost]And GPU does not appear to support Vulkan.

 

[WizardStan]

Unfortunately such things don't exist in any form which ED could have easily purchased in small quantity.

 

[Not_a_Nick]

I find alarming the amount of people floating around that can't handle or respect a different opinion. While some act maturely and present valid points of argument others really should rethink what they write and the silliness of it (not to use another term). Like someone said, gives a bad image and it's lack of consideration against other people.

 

[hlidegp2x]

Not sure to whom you're aiming your post. If I'm the silly one, I was just expressing my personal wish - I should probably need to use conditional sentences - in an awkward way as English is not my native language. If it is was about WizardStan's answer, I fear he's kind of right by saying such a thing should not exist without being too much expensive.

I had a Pandora but I never really found out a big interest to it because it was already outdated when I received it as a backer (no multi-core, no multi-touch, etc.). I don't recall DSP was ever used in Pandora software. There seems to get a new tendency to add FPGA in boards (Parallela, SnickerDoodle, LOGI Pi, etc.) but I agree their prices are too expensive. Anyway, while I like the spirit of it, I'm not interested to Pyra in the way it is. But in future if EvilDragon may be interested to make a RPi-like board with an FPGA, I would be glad to back it.

EDIT:
I didn't check the date of previous posts so it never occurred to my mind you were speaking about different opinions expressed in the earlier posts.

 

[TrashyMG]

Outdated suggests there is something that would replace the Pandora... There is still no device outside the Pyra quite like it.

There are few applications that make use of the DSP.

 

[WizardStan]

I find alarming the amount of people floating around that can't handle or respect a different opinion

And I find it alarming the amount of people that feel it's acceptable to come into someone's virtual house and tell them that their hand crafted furniture is stupid and expensive and they can get something better for less at IKEA.
Metaphorically speaking.

 

[Not_a_Nick]

And I find it alarming the amount of people that feel it's acceptable to come into someone's virtual house and tell them that their hand crafted furniture is stupid and expensive and they can get something better for less at IKEA.
Metaphorically speaking.

Unless you live in some repressive environment, which i don't think this forum is, anyone has the right to criticize and stand corrected after, so your point is?
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Not sure to whom you're aiming your post. If I'm the silly one, I was just expressing my personal wish - I should probably need to use conditional sentences - in an awkward way as English is not my native language. If it is was about WizardStan's answer, I fear he's kind of right by saying such a thing should not exist without being too much expensive.

EDIT:
I didn't check the date of previous posts so it never occurred to my mind you were speaking about different opinions expressed in the earlier posts.

No mate, it wasn't a personal reference to you or to WizardStan.

 

[FaeMinx]

Unless you live in some repressive environment, which i don't think this forum is, anyone has the right to criticize and stand corrected after, so your point is?

I found his point perfectly obvious in light of the recent discussion... I don't know how he could make it any clearer.

Why so confrontational?

 

[hlidegp2x]

Outdated suggests there is something that would replace the Pandora... There is still no device outside the Pyra quite like it.

There are few applications that make use of the DSP.

At the time when Pandora begins, Cortex A8 was the only out of the new CORTEX generation. At the time when Pandora was received (I had the first version), the hardware was totally outdated with multi-core A9 and higher frequency. Pandora was supposedly offering a next-gen portable game console (with some Desktop PC features as a replacement to GP2X) but after two years (not sure exactly about the real time but I already forgot Pandora existence when it finally came), it wasn't next-gen at all and not so compelling to develop with in the end.

I'm just curious about the exact number of people really using their Pandora.

I work in a big company which uses TI DaVinci and OMAP (+ FPGA) for their military products: the next product won't use their TI soc (great features on the paper, flawed features).

 

[TrashyMG]

I suppose if the only thing you care about is spec of the SoC or irrelevant touchscreen features then it could be considered outdated.

 

[Klumpen]

My monitor has way higher specs than my toaster, but I just can't get it to make proper toast! What am I doing wrong?

 

[WizardStan]

anyone has the right to criticize and stand corrected after, so your point is?

Not sure where the confusion is, I thought I was being pretty clear. First you seem to inserted some misunderstanding about "rights". I don't see where you got any other idea, but of course they have the right to criticize. Absolutely nothing I said contradicts that.
To your second point, about their right to stand corrected, no they don't:such a right to information violates the rights of everyone else by effectively forcing them to act in a specific and personal way. People may choose to correct the person expressing themselves but that's all it is, a choice, and not doing so doesn't violate anyone's rights.
But like I said, I didn't say anything about that, it's not even tangential, you basically started an entirely new conversation based on... no idea what, some kind of false perception of something.

No no, it's way simpler than that, it is literally what I said: I find it alarming that some random person would just come in and start insulting the decor. Like, what is the purpose? What are they trying to accomplish? Do they think EvilDragon isn't aware of the things that already exist, that by telling him he'll just go "whoop, you're right, how did I miss that? Call the whole thing off"? That's alarming in itself. Are they hoping that he'll change things? Maybe drop the keyboard to make it "competitive"? Because that would mean they did absolutely no research into the design intentions, which is also alarming. Or maybe they just like to hear themselves talk and want to say their piece so that if it all goes south they can claim to have been right which is even more alarming.