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Just emphasises how this epidemic has another feature of a nature in a (just) war. Doesn't quite work out the same way, or at least bites back quicker if you engineer your own war, as Blair found out, or the Republicans with their War on Drugs, but a just war gives a positive and relatively long-lasting boost to the ruling party.
 

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Let me guess: They keep demanding something in tune of their ideology but then vote against it, backstabbing the working class they are supposed to represent? Yeah, that sounds familiar.
Nah, they just usually get a boost in response to other parties reducing social programs on their turn, then when SocDems gain power they end up not getting much done at all. They're not actively harmful to their ideology, just disappointingly inefficient at going about it. People want quick resolutions, so they end up voting someone else the next time again.

(sorry about contributing to the derailment, let's get back on track)
 

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maybe I shouldn't have de-de-derailded it... but there's no news... people are increasingly analytical and networked (due to SOCs) and at least here in the UK the policy waffling and subterfuge is overt and frankly embarrassing. history will judge the coronavirus to have been widely mishandled. If different decisions were made things would have been much better. triage of economics, lives and political careers. what a world.
 

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history will judge the coronavirus to have been widely mishandled. If different decisions were made things would have been much better. triage of economics, lives and political careers. what a world.
History will judge it's been handled amazingly well.
The best any pandemic has ever had in the entire history of humankind.

You want history?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
"The Black Death, also known as the Pestilence and the Plague,[a] was the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, resulting in the deaths of up to 75–200 million[1][2][3][4][5][6] people in Eurasia and North Africa,[7] peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351."

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/
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So, unless between 25% to 50% of the world population dies we're doing fantastic relatively speaking.

We're in an era where people can and do cross half the globe in a day spreading diseases way faster than in the 1300s

As I'm writing this we're at 184,643 deaths world wide according to google with a 2020 world population of 7.8Billion people.
The number death so far is currently at 0.0023672% of the world population
And we're way below the normal exponential spread of disease
Let me make a quick LibreOffice graph:

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There isn't a single pixel on that graph for COVID-19.
I could redo the graph for black plague at the 25% low-estimate and it still wouldn't register on history's scale.

Despite the CCP and WHO lying about it and covering it up for as long as they did.

We're not even at 1/400th of 1%


And yes, even governments have handled it fantastically well.
What's the point of government officials even trying if they still going to get shat on all day with people going all { oh "what a world" boohoo } even when not even 0.002% died so far of something that would have easily killed 25% of the world population by now if it wasn't for the world's governments (and people's) responses to it.

Historically we're kicking this little bitch of a pandemic's ass so much it's gonna have its plague card revoked and laughed at if it ever shows its face again at the disease bar.



Can we get a little positivity in here?
 

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Since the topic is getting derailed let's do it constructively.

Help researchers find ways to attack COVID-19

If you think the government isn't doing enough do more:



Folding@Home:
https://foldingathome.org/
https://foldingathome.org/covid19/

Rosetta@Home:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/

Throw whatever computer power you have at COVID-19 research (at least a Pentium 4 and 4GB of RAM for Folding@Home. Rosetta is lighter if all you have is a potato).

They need a massive amount of computing power, CPUs not just GPUs as some simulations only run on CPUs.

The work is divided up in tiny work units to be distributed to computers around the world.
Even a 4-CPU i3 can do plenty of useful work so you don't need a 3D graphics card to help.

I got a i3 NUC along with the 1950X and i7/GTX1070 machines and it's doing it's fair share of science. Almost anything helps.

If you're heating your home anyway because it's still cold outside it's not even going to cost you, your house heating system will proportionally reduce, simple laws of thermodynamics.

Stay inside and help:

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If you're heating your home anyway because it's still cold outside it's not even going to cost you, your house heating system will proportionally reduce, simple laws of thermodynamics.
It'll still cost you, unless your home heating is already based on electric power or you live in Norway. Simple laws of power pricing. :)
 

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because politicians don't care.
It wouldn't make any difference, because it would be too late. Things explode because the health systems were constantly ground down in the past, a politician can't just conjure the required trained personnel and equipment out of thin air without wrecking another country's health system.

Western politicians are not an untouchable entity to helplessly complain about - people finally get what they kept voting for. The positivity in that? The sliver of hope that they finally wake up and realize that it was their own fault to even reach this point of instability, the sliver of hope that things will actually change after all of this because people realize what all the practices of ruthless and unrestricted capitalism have led to and that there's barely anything left of what was once called a social market economy, if they even had one to begin with. The sliver of hope that they realize that they could actually change these things if they just wanted to.

The German health system isn't doing much better, its destruction just lags some years behind. Just last year some study recommended to close down over half of the hospitals in the country, even claiming that it would improve the quality of treatments. Imagine what would've happened if they actually did that before the outbreak.
 

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It wouldn't make any difference, because it would be too late.
It does because the politicians continue to make mistakes over and over during the crisis.
In France, the government massively ordered the wrong ventilators:

Yes, moderators should move these posts.
 

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It does because the politicians continue to make mistakes over and over during the crisis.
In France, the government massively ordered the wrong ventilators:

Yes, moderators should move these posts.
People are human, they make mistakes, especially when under huge pressure to DO SOMETHING, and there are no effective quality checks in the process because *URGENCY*.

I guess the ventilators can be used for other patients, freeing up ones that can be used, so it is not a complete wash.

Furthermore, there is evidence that over-enthusiastic recourse to ventilation is bad for patient outcomes: unnecessary lung damage and deaths. Doctors are looking at more graduated strategies, putting people on supplementary oxygen (little tubes flowing oxygen enriched air into the nose), CPAP and BiPAP before full ventilation. It turns out that using the same ventilation strategy as for influenza is more damaging, and SAR-CoV-2 patients can tolerate low blood oxygen saturation for extended periods.

STAT: Health: New analysis recommends less reliance on ventilators to treat coronavirus patients By Sharon Begley April 21, 2020

So lack of ventilators is not necessarily as bad as it could be. It is still embarrassing for all concerned, and if there is a lack, evidence that rushed decisions can have fatal consequences.
 

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In France, the government massively ordered the wrong ventilators:
Politicians don't send the order for machines to the manufacturer, nor are they the ones who decide which ones to order - they have consulting experts with knowledge in these fields that are supposed to take care of the details. You should be thankful that they wanted ventilators ordered at all instead of blaming them for the mistakes of others.

Unless you suspect corruption as the source of this mishap, you shouldn't blame them for incompetence. Politicians are by their very definition incompetent people, they have to decide over things they don't know shit about all the time, which is why they don't make these kind of decisions on their own. You vote politicians for their ideology, not for their knowledge.
 

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So it's nobody's fault.
Of course there's someone to blame for it, but we don't know who and for what exactly. Maybe someone really screwed it up, maybe it was just a secretary transposing some numbers in the product ID. The point is that this example is not exactly a political failure.

Export limitations on medical supplies that block the delivery of urgent shipments for other countries just because they are passing through would be a better example for a political failure.
 

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It's nobody's fault. But I am grateful for the way our governments have worked to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. And they have done that through the use of stay at home orders, etc. to slow the spread so that those who do get the virus can get treatment. Of course, there are going to be shortages in some areas, but then there were shortages before all this began. Still, I am thankful for what we have and that most of my friends remain safe. I have lost one good friend because of this and have several who are sick. The one who passed was in China where he was exposed. The others were exposed at work but they are able to recover at home. Stay safe friends. I don't want to lose anymore!
 
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