Poll: Do You Like Keybord Font.

[mali]

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That is the crux of the debate: if you can't support them all (you can't) why support any of them?
How stupid is that? Ok, lets sacrifice an Ä for an È. Better this way, than leaving the keys blank :rolleyes:

You havn't seen Cosurgi or Kagato's keyboard layouts which dominated a 6 month long poll and discussion then, have you?

No, I haven't. I'll look for it.
Edit:
Ok, I've look at Cosurgi's and still like ED's more. The brightness and Wifi isn't needed and Compose and Alt Gr themselves waste whole keys.

 

[maciek_urbanski]

Damn, I never been point-blank frustrated by decision of Pandora team.
Until now. :angry:

The keyboard layout with accented characters is just plain stupid, because:

• most communication in Internet is in English (regardless of your country of origin)
• you dividing people to "happy 15%" and "annoyed 85%"
• there are better designs proposed, and even if Pandora team don't think so people who are actually buying your have different opinion; after all - they're creating Pandora for them not for themselves
• most nationalities use US keyboards and Alt+[key] combination - why Germans have higher priority (at cost of functionality of device)
• saying that some characters are "more popular" is nonsense; you have to have ALL special characters for given language to write in it; getting only "ó" doesn't allow me to write in Polish

When we'll have final keyboard design ? If it will be crappy (like current one) some of us (me included) may want to cancel their orders and wait for Pandora with normal keyboard. (I'm assuming I can cancel when I've paid via bank transfer)

Damn, Pandora Team, what's with you guys ? :angry:

 

[mali]

Apparently, the only viable option is to sell localized versions.
I'm out.

 

[WizardStan]

QUOTE
That is the crux of the debate: if you can't support them all (you can't) why support any of them?
How stupid is that? Ok, lets sacrifice an Ä for an È. Better this way, than leaving the keys blank :rolleyes:

What? No. There's no "sacrifice one for the other", it's "don't print either of them, because you can get EVERY character in EVERY language* with AltGr and/or Compose key combos".
But again, the whole thing is moot. If you really must have the accented characters as Fn keys, then just remap them! Printing them on the keyboard annoys those that don't need them and those whose language wasn't popular enough to get printed.
Unless you're arguing that Ä should actually be a primary key as it is on the German keyboard, and not an Fn key combo. Is that what you're saying? If that's the case, then you're not just printing a rarely used character, but taking up an entire key for it. That seems highly illogical to me.


*almost every character in every Romantic language, and a lot for non Romantic languages

 

[salasq]

Edit:
Ok, I've look at Cosurgi's and still like ED's more. The brightness and Wifi isn't needed and Compose and Alt Gr themselves waste whole keys.

From the pure amount of different accented characters out there, compose key is clearly essential in basic layout - else we'd banish parts of userbase to touchscreen keyboard from the go. If we'd be dealing with a programmer device, no-one would bat an eyelash over mapping keys, but that's not a realistic expectation for extended populace. Using compose is, for them, simpler, as at least then there are visual cues as to what to expect from a key.

(As an aside, I don't think Cosurgi's latest is a solution, compose key shouldn't be FN - that's an extra keypress, for a total of 4 for most diacriticals).

Also, as different keymats are exremely probable at some point in the future, it'll be sensible to use Pandora-specific layout files right from start instead of attempting to adapt one single kitchen sink layout.

Following from that - as German has one umlaut per letter max - Is there a difference between using FN+J or Compose+O for 'Ö'? And which one would be clearer for the users?

Let's just have basic Latin keyboard, with programmers in mind when touching up.

EDIT: -1 to Rexlia. It looks alright if a tad pretentious, but keep the size of Pandora's keys in mind. To avoid fugly, just go with some open sans serif.

EDIT2: What's the function of logo key? Return to main menu? I was just thinking - remembering Apple's old Apple key, and how awfully long a word 'Compose' would be to print on so small an area - can't we repurpose one of the center keys as Compose, similar to Select->Control?... Admittedly, 'Start' would be perfect for the 'return to menu' functionality, anyway, and not a faux pas considering the device's gaming pedigree

 

[MDave]

QUOTE
That is the crux of the debate: if you can't support them all (you can't) why support any of them?
How stupid is that? Ok, lets sacrifice an Ä for an È. Better this way, than leaving the keys blank :rolleyes:

You havn't seen Cosurgi or Kagato's keyboard layouts which dominated a 6 month long poll and discussion then, have you?

No, I haven't. I'll look for it.
Edit:
Ok, I've look at Cosurgi's and still like ED's more. The brightness and Wifi isn't needed and Compose and Alt Gr themselves waste whole keys.


You like ED's more because it supports the German keys. A Japanese person would prefer Japanese characters. What about the other countries? It's plain bias. Brightness and Wifi aren't needed? No, but they sure are more useful to everyone then a few keys to a few people. Universal functionality should come first, not a specific country's preference. If they are only going to do one keypad layout for the first batch, they are screwing them people over the later batch people that could have country specific keypads later on. Hence why a non-bias universal keypad is important in that case. This was the unanimous decision made back in that 6 month long poll. Seeing ED's latest layout has basically thrown away all the tweaking and fine tuning the community did over that period of time. This is what's also annoying people.

 

[greendots]

...
It's plain bias. Brightness and Wifi aren't needed? No, but they sure are more useful to everyone then a few keys to a few people. Universal functionality should come first, not a specific country's preference. If they are only going to do one keypad layout for the first batch, they are screwing them people over the later batch people that could have country specific keypads later on. Hence why a non-bias universal keypad is important in that case. This was the unanimous decision made back in that 6 month long poll. Seeing ED's latest layout has basically thrown away all the tweaking and fine tuning the community did over that period of time. This is what's also annoying people.

If there is buttons not used by someones language it doesn't mean they are lost... They could easily be mapped to what ever the user wants: Brightness, wifi, media, quick alt+tab etc. There are only 8 Fn-keys that must be added for the 4 languages. Its really not that bad...

 

[PoisonedV]

I like rexlia font

on a side note, yeah, screw compose and fn keys! Why not make room for other characters?!?! On that note, for russian typing, i would like cyrillic keys instead of german
:rolleyes:

 

[Karel Jansens]

Oh, and please, no glow in the dark keys. Laying in bed, in the dark, watching my favourite animes or whatever (no porn on my P thankyou), I don't want to be distracted by glowing keys.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one. Glow-in-the-dark paint needs to be "charged" by exposure to light, but the Pandora is a clamshell that will be closed for prolonged periods of time. What use are letters that glow for about five minutes?

 

[PoisonedV]

Oh, and please, no glow in the dark keys. Laying in bed, in the dark, watching my favourite animes or whatever (no porn on my P thankyou), I don't want to be distracted by glowing keys.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one. Glow-in-the-dark paint needs to be "charged" by exposure to light, but the Pandora is a clamshell that will be closed for prolonged periods of time. What use are letters that glow for about five minutes?an

anime is worse than porn, you should be ashamed!
I fully agree though. You can't turn OFF glow in the dark letters, and then again you cant turn them ON easily either. why have them?

 

[Karel Jansens]

anime is worse than porn, you should be ashamed!
I fully agree though. You can't turn OFF glow in the dark letters, and then again you cant turn them ON easily either. why have them?

It's hentai that's worse than porn. You should watch some of it... B)

 

[clippa]

anime is worse than porn, you should be ashamed!

Hehe, yeah I always thought so too. Why do all the women have to look like stretched five year olds and constantly flash their pants? It's like light titillation for repressed paedophiles. I'm sure there's some good anime out there, but I haven't seen it. Actually, akira was good, and that miyazaki fella who did my neighbour totoro, he makes some good stuff. Is it still classed as anime if it hasn't got sexualised children and robots in it?

 

[PoisonedV]

anime is worse than porn, you should be ashamed!

Hehe, yeah I always thought so too. Why do all the women have to look like stretched five year olds and constantly flash their pants? It's like light titillation for repressed paedophiles. I'm sure there's some good anime out there, but I haven't seen it. Actually, akira was good, and that miyazaki fella who did my neighbour totoro, he makes some good stuff. Is it still classed as anime if it hasn't got sexualised children and robots in it?

i don't care if it panders to pedophiles, i have no issue with them. i have issue with 99 percent of it being garbage.

 

[monkeyo2]

I don't like Rexlia, surely Pandora is geeky enough already!

I wouldn't use non-English charaters (apart from may be writing café or cliché and looking up world music acts), but I really don't care if they are on the keyboard. If anything, I think it would make it look a bit cooler and more international with them, so if ED wants them, he should put them on there!

I don't really have an opinion on glow-in-the-dark paint or whether anime is worse than porn, I'll leave everyone else to decide that....

 

[xaim00]

I'm from Sweden and here we need the special characters Å, Ä, Ö. However, I don't think any country specific characters should be included if it complicates the keyboard layout. Keep it simple please!

Here is the layout i would prefer. Punctuation and comma need there own keys imo.

If brightness keys are omitted, Fn+Z,X,C,V can potentially be used for special characters without messing with the layout.

 

[salasq]

anime is worse than porn, you should be ashamed!

Hehe, yeah I always thought so too. Why do all the women have to look like stretched five year olds and constantly flash their pants? It's like light titillation for repressed paedophiles. I'm sure there's some good anime out there, but I haven't seen it. Actually, akira was good, and that miyazaki fella who did my neighbour totoro, he makes some good stuff. Is it still classed as anime if it hasn't got sexualised children and robots in it?

You sound suspiciously well informed...

 

[todd]

I'm from Sweden and here we need the special characters Å, Ä, Ö. However, I don't think any country specific characters should be included if it complicates the keyboard layout. Keep it simple please!

Here is the layout i would prefer. Punctuation and comma need there own keys imo.

If brightness keys are omitted, Fn+Z,X,C,V can potentially be used for special characters without messing with the layout.

I will display my English-as-first-language bias and say that's a very nice layout! Perhaps Fn+C could be compose and Fn+V AltGr?

I sympathize with requiring too many keystrokes for diacriticals. I serious interest in being able to type in at least three non-English languages. However:

1. we have very few keys to work with
2. data entry (e.g., typing a term paper) will NEVER work well on the built-in keyboard. It's made for on-the-go and one-off kind of stuff. Access to diacriticals would be nice, but on a keyboard which is useless for touch-typing, speed is not of the essence.

I agree about keeping it simple, making the most-used characters available. Compose and Alt-Gr would be nice: perfect for Fn-keys.

You know, I'm not sure I've *ever* owned a keyboard with a compose key. My most recent one has an Alt-Gr, but I think it's the first one. I usually had to remap another key to cover instead. I think mapping Fn-keys to Compose and Alt-Gr on an English-oriented keyboard seems like a reasonable compromise.

But then, I'm typing in English...

--Todd

 

[maciek_urbanski]

The entire "compose vs non-compose" theme is really a non-issue. <_<

Just make the Fn a dual-function key.

Mode 1:: Press & hold Fn and then press second key - character/function indicated in blue appears/occurs.

Mode 2:: Press & let go Fn and the press second key - diacritics (local language char) shows. To exit from Mode 2 - re-press Fn.

Guys, this is trivial scheme and was used in countless devices... It just works. <_<

 

[GoodLawd]

I don't like this. Why can't we just decide on a few very reasonable things already?

1. Saying XYZ language uses UVW characters to justify their inclusion in the layout is plain elitism. Why should any one language be given priority over others? You're just gonna have to go with something that's already common in most devices of this type (i.e. plain English as in mylo, Zaurus etc.) that you don't seem to have any qualms about buying. Why now?

2. Just use your head and give the most commonly used special characters some priority. . > , > ' > / or something. Try to give these characters their own keys.

3. And please don't ignore some actually useful functions like brightness control/wifi/sleep mode in favor of some bogus umlaut that'd might very well be Martian to a vast majority of the community.

Y/N? :huh:

 

[urjaman]

I don't like this. Why can't we just decide on a few very reasonable things already?

1. Saying XYZ language uses UVW characters to justify their inclusion in the layout is plain elitism. Why should any one language be given priority over others? You're just gonna have to go with something that's already common in most devices of this type (i.e. plain English as in mylo, Zaurus etc.) that you don't seem to have any qualms about buying. Why now?

2. Just use your head and give the most commonly used special characters some priority. . > , > ' > / or something. Try to give these characters their own keys.

3. And please don't ignore some actually useful functions like brightness control/wifi/sleep mode in favor of some bogus umlaut that'd might very well be Martian to a vast majority of the community.

Y/N? :huh:

1. "Oh, english uses A-Z, we possible cannot include them because it would be elitism...." That kidding, but prioritization based on where pandoras are really going to is not bad (I'd like to know like how many pandoras have been ordered from which countries).

2. Y

3. Y for brightness control, I'm not so sure of wifi or sleep mode (I would be happy for some gui element to control these)