Please Delete:Radical Hardware Idea for Pandora 2(Outdated 2/22/2012)

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A pandora 2 would maybe have 2 analogue sticks instead of just nubs.This would negate the clamshell design though due to the sticks being raised.Maybe a small trackball to use as a mouse might work though.
 

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Everything that makes the Pandora what it is derives from what's inside the case, as long as you are still given the physical inputs to interact with it. The only things i've omitted are the extra SD slot and the second nub. It's also now thinner with less depth with a bit more length/width and a decrease in heft. The touchscreen is now easier to use, the darn thing will be easier to hold, the shoulder buttons would likely be more accessible, rather than an afterthought, and it will fit into a pocket with less effort due to the reduction in volume. Producing and assembling them will also be streamlined.


Different is not always bad. Besides I did state that I think the original Pandora could still be made along with this one. If anything, I would revise my earlier specs to include a screen size no bigger than 4.5". Bigger than that and we cross into the unpocketable range.
^^ Well the Extra SD slot is important for me, I generally dabble in alternate operating systems that run off SD cards.. I need the other SD free to hold the Games, data and such.... I've stated my opinion on the importance of the second Nub already.
 
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Saber said:
Everything that makes the Pandora what it is derives from what's inside the case, as long as you are still given the physical inputs to interact with it. The only things i've omitted are the extra SD slot and the second nub. It's also now thinner with less depth with a bit more length/width and a decrease in heft. The touchscreen is now easier to use, the darn thing will be easier to hold, the shoulder buttons would likely be more accessible, rather than an afterthought, and it will fit into a pocket with less effort due to the reduction in volume. Producing and assembling them will also be streamlined.


Different is not always bad. Besides I did state that I think the original Pandora could still be made along with this one. If anything, I would revise my earlier specs to include a screen size no bigger than 4.5". Bigger than that and we cross into the unpocketable range.
^^ Well the Extra SD slot is important for me, I generally dabble in alternate operating systems that run off SD cards.. I need the other SD free to hold the Games, data and such.... I've stated my opinion on the importance of the second Nub already.
this is why P2 will have a microsdhc slot underneath the battery to hold as many OS as you want, making one sdxc slot plenty to use apps, games, roms, and in some instances, porn
 

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this is why P2 will have a microsdhc slot underneath the battery to hold as many OS as you want, making one sdxc slot plenty to use apps, games, roms, and in some instances, porn
That is a really great idea. :)
 

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My thoughts for the hardware:


1. PSP-esque design: easier and cheaper to manufacture and hold. Probably more mass marketable.
You're asking engineers to put in 100's of hours so that you personally can enjoy a PSP clone?


What's the point? Just buy a PSP.


If imitating successful designs is going to be the plan, might as well make an iPad clone.


There has to be a very good reason to put forth all that effort.


BTW, in the engineering biz, people identify "use cases" to justify new designs, meaning specific ways that a design will be used in the real world. Use cases are not invented excuses, they have to identify value.


If there's no use case, no action should be taken.
 
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You're asking engineers to put in 100's of hours so that you personally can enjoy a PSP clone?


What's the point? Just buy a PSP.


If imitating successful designs is going to be the plan, might as well make an iPad clone.


There has to be a very good reason to put forth all that effort.


BTW, in the engineering biz, people identify "use cases" to justify new designs, meaning specific ways that a design will be used in the real world. Use cases are not invented excuses, they have to identify value.


If there's no use case, no action should be taken.
I'm not asking anyone to create anything for me. I have put forth multiple reasons on why I think the slate form is sound. The PSP has undeniably a demonstrable design that is both comfortable to hold and use. I feel the same about the iPad and so do many successful companies out there that have brought their own take of the tablet form to the public. I am particularly fond of the Nokia N900 slider, but Openpandora has already said that the idea is not an option because it is patented.


Again, it is what the Pandora can do that defines what it is, but I don't want to mimic the PSP's shape entirely. For instance, the Pandora Slim would more precisely be a blending of an oval up top with more of a trapezoid taper at the bottom(this will be where the weighty battery goes and it will be moderately rounded so the mini arc BT keyboard can be "affixed" here).


I also want it to be clear that I in no way imply that the current Pandora is poorly crafted or that the project is a failure. To be honest, i'm debating about whether to preorder another one after all this discussion, since it will be years before it has any kind of successor. Nothing even close to it is available today. B)
 

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Why do you even think about such changes?


I need my Pandora as a mini Notebook.


I need the keyboard.


I need the two SD card slots.


I need two nubs.


I need everything Pandora 1 has.


I love the design so much. PSP design would be horrible.


Pandora 2 needs additional features.


Don't take the special things that make a Pandora out of a Pandora.


(And be realistic. ED will never produce a Pandora with PSP design. Perhaps Craig might plan to do so, if he'll produce a further hardware device.)
 

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Also, a non clamshell device cant rest on a table for comfortable viewing without a stand.
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


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The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


View attachment 1700


The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!
I would have some of the stuff on the backside of the system but overall I like that design!


It still keeps the Pandora likness but adds alot of new cool stuff ^_^
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


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The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!


I would have some of the stuff on the backside of the system but overall I like that design!


It still keeps the Pandora likeness but adds alot of new cool stuff ^_^
I was only putting (only) the SD slots on the side because they are displaced by the speakers, which have to be on the front to avoid be muffled by the user's hands.


USB, power in etc are facing backwards as per the P1, but the hinge means that there is little room for sockets. I don't thing there is room to put TV out and USB host on the same hinge-shoulder button space, so they are on opposite side.


What would you change? <_< :)
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


View attachment 1700


The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!



I would have some of the stuff on the backside of the system but overall I like that design!


It still keeps the Pandora likeness but adds alot of new cool stuff ^_^
I was only putting (only) the SD slots on the side because they are displaced by the speakers, which have to be on the front to avoid be muffled by the user's hands.


USB, power in etc are facing backwards as per the P1, but the hinge means that there is little room for sockets. I don't thing there is room to put TV out and USB host on the same hinge-shoulder button space, so they are on opposite side.


What would you change? <_< :)
Not much really :) I guess that there is a camera on the backside to?
 

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Not much really :) I guess that there is a camera on the backside to?
Why bother, just rotate the screen round to touch-centric mode, and the camera faces outwards!


A camera on the outside of the case would get damaged easily.
 
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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


View attachment 1700


The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!
Binky, that's great.


This is the first Pandora 2 concept I would agree with (the ankle of the old one looks still better) andI don't know whether there's enough space inside the Pandora to place the speakers on the bottom.


But all in all it's a solid concept.
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


View attachment 1700


The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!

Binky, that's great.


This is the first Pandora 2 concept I would agree with (the ankle of the old one looks still better) andI don't know whether there's enough space inside the Pandora to place the speakers on the bottom.


But all in all it's a solid concept.
Yes i quite like the design too.Depends how strong that rotating hinge is and if it can be done hardware wise but its the best potential P2 design ive seen so far.
 

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Yeah not bad concept at all.


But don't be surprised that some elements won't work because components may not fit or it may be too expensive to do it that way.. There is a lot of gotchas from going from concept to actual device.
 

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Double-barrel hinges don't seem to be patented;


View attachment 1700


The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers (scrolling etc), and the touchscreen accessible with your thumbs.

  • Very few features dropped.
  • massive improvement in touchscreen access
  • camera can face both ways, and is protected in your pocket.
  • Would make android (+Apps) more useable
  • more buttons!

Thank you for bringing another concept to the discussion Binky.

The screen can fold 360deg, with the game controls accessible with your fingers


I was only putting (only) the SD slots on the side because they are displaced by the speakers, which have to be on the front to avoid be muffled by the user's hands.


What would you change? <_< :)
Not much really :) I guess that there is a camera on the backside to?
Why bother, just rotate the screen round to touch-centric mode, and the camera faces outwards!


A camera on the outside of the case would get damaged easily.
I think Openpandora thought before of doing that, where the screen swivels around and folds back onto the controls for touchscreen use, but they ran into a problem with the LCD cable not being long enough or robust enough to handle it. There was also the issue of not being able to access the game controls and keyboard while in that mode. I wonder if some screen bezel could be added for maybe one of the nubs and some face buttons to simulate the buttons on a mouse. It would make web searching work well in that mode. The speakers location and the bigger screen are a big plus. :)
 
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