PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[vcoleiro1]

@JoeBlack, If your heart is set on 8GB , then I would wait, as I'm fairly confiident GPD will release a 8GB Ram / 128GB storage model after release. Just like they released higher capacity XD's after it released. GPD have mentioned they probably will do this themselves.

 

[TrashyMG]

As an original Pandora owner i must say Pyra looks pretty damn impressive, but i just need x86 plaform.
@ED
Any plans for x86 Pyra like computer?

Well the CPU board is modular, so in theory an x86 CPU board could be developed. However since Intel got out of the mobile SoC business, who knows what that will mean. AMD hasn't really got anything in the same performance per Watt category.

 

[EvilDragon]

Well the CPU board is modular, so in theory an x86 CPU board could be developed. However since Intel got out of the mobile SoC business, who knows what that will mean. AMD hasn't really got anything in the same performance per Watt category.

Well, it just means that Intel won't develop more new SoCs. The current ones will still be produced for a while.

 

[JoeBlack]

Exactly
Current Intel SOC X7-8700 or 8750 is good enough for me. X86 procesor is sadly something i would like to have, otherwise i would preorder Pyra in a hearthbeat.
I use software, that company i work for develops, and that is windows only (mysql, postgre, access database, dos based + super stupid CRM, that work only on ie etc.)

 

[Yoyobuae]

@JoeBlack get a new job, solves many of your problems.

Just joking, by the way.

 

[TrashyMG]

Exactly
Current Intel SOC X7-8700 or 8750 is good enough for me. X86 procesor is sadly something i would like to have, otherwise i would preorder Pyra in a hearthbeat.
I use software, that company i work for develops, and that is windows only (mysql, postgre, access database, dos based + super stupid CRM, that work only on ie etc.)

While I don't know the aspects of your job, but most of everything you describe could be done in Linux, even access database work.

 

[JoeBlack]

I don't "just" use database, i use database based software. No luck on Linux, especialy on ARM one.
I know the basic argument, you can run anything on Linux, those guys just did not met our software :-D

 

[TrashyMG]

those guys just did not met our software :-D

As someone who works in a place where some people still actively maintain software written in ReXX on OS/2 Warp I think I can understand a little.

 

[comradekingu]

Seeing a lot of synergy effect with the 500th anniversary of Thomas Moores book Utopia,

Episode 11 up
Damage control to Major Tom

 

[ashcloud]

Just for watching the introduction video on their kickstarter page, I feel a strong urge to punch that guy into the face (is it just me?). Considering they are basically a team of actors, they are even bad at that. In contrast to that I really like the calm honest videos ED did for the Pandora and Pyra, which are also lacking that disgusting wannabe epic music. I wouldn't trust those guys with a penny after seeing that video, let alone all the other things that are wrong with this campaign.

 

[Klumpen]

In contrast to that I really like the calm honest videos ED did for the Pandora and Pyra, which are also lacking that disgusting wannabe epic music.

*ahem*

 

[ashcloud]

*ahem*

Yeah, I remember that one . Didn't ED upload a new version without the music, after a few guys complained? Anyway, it's not epic at all. It's just a little annoying, just like elevator music. And its nothing compared to whats in the PGS video.
I guess their music was supposed to underline how great and awesome their device is going to be. But for me it just screams epic fail.

 

[comradekingu]

@Klumpen, you are a musician, it is now on you to make the music for the next video.
This is the drama we want.

 

[rygD]

Yes, please.

 

[Grench]

Well, it just means that Intel won't develop more new SoCs. The current ones will still be produced for a while.

It has struck me as an interesting business decision that they made. Their mobile chips never did catch on in phones and tablets - market share there is already established. Where bay/cherry trail has started to gain traction is in gum stick & tiny set-box computers with just a start of a cross over to main stream web browsing and HTPC type uses.

I suspect that the last few bits started to give them concern. If people are able to buy a device with a $30 SoC and do the exact same activities that they would otherwise have purchased a device with a $100+ CPU, that has the theoretical ability to start canibalizing Intel's more profitable lines.

Right now Intel has the lock on the sub 5W TDP X86 SoC space with the products already in production. With Microsoft giving up on the Nokia Windows phone thing, there isn't a draw to the devices that Intel had planned to support. So, there isn't really a direct call or need to develop a more advanced item for this segment - there is no competitor product to stay ahead of.

So - from a business perspective, I can completely rationalize why Intel would stop development of future low priced ARM competetive X86 processors. Some day 3-5 years from now when their existing line has competition or is seen as hopelessly outdated, maybe then they would consider developing a successor. Mobile X86 technology is likely to sit more or less stagnant for ~5 years or more.

All that said, I would still love to see an X86 Pyra some day. Where the latest and greatest mobile ARM SoC offerings tend to be highly proprietary and unobtanium, a Cherry Trail X86 SoC may still be the fastest -available- mobile SoC 1-2 years from now and worthy of consideration if/when a subsequent processor board is considered.

 

[Klumpen]

@Klumpen, you are a musician, it is now on you to make the music for the next video.
This is the drama we want.

Well, a technology related soundtrack made with hammered dulcimer, hurdy-gurdy and frame drum would certainly be something new.

 

[comradekingu]

That is exactly what I had in mind. Some high-fi low-fi chiptune-like glory.
We can follow your instrument and the Pyra to completion and production.
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@WizardStan

That too, will be indistinguishable from a scam.
If it's not real, it's a scam, plain and simple.

@Gr8one

Anyone backing are, at time of project completion, doing business with one
Lola Kochetkova, not Kickstarter, one said to have set up an existing limited liability company. Nobody pretends she is knowledgable in terms of what the project entails, so once money potentially leaves PayPal and goes into a bankaccount, from then on its anyone's guess. It is not easy transferring money to Russia, as they aren't part of the IBAN system. Chances of legal recourse, would be laws regarding trade in Michigan and the US.
Playing that game against someone you have no reason to doubt is actually the legal advisor of PGS, meaning she understands what she is getting herself into on some level. Not great.

Update on this answer:

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/rul...-proceedings/mail-internet-or-telephone-order

Mail, Internet, or Telephone Order Merchandise

16 CFR Part 435

Rule Summary:The Rule, issued in 1975, requires sellers who solicit buyers to order merchandise through the mail, via the Internet, or by phone to have a reasonable basis to expect that the sellers can ship within the advertised time frame, or, if no time frame is specified, within 30 days. The Rule also requires that, when a seller cannot ship within the promised time, the seller must obtain the buyer’s consent to a delay in shipping or refund payment for the unshipped merchandise.

So the question becomes, has KS obtained such a consent. Well, at least it tries to:

https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use?ref=footer

"…This is what you’re agreeing to when you create or back a Kickstarter project. …

When a creator posts a project on Kickstarter, they’re inviting other people to form a contract with them. Anyone who backs a project is accepting the creator’s offer, and forming that contract.

Kickstarter is not a part of this contract — the contract is a direct legal agreement between creators and their backers. Here are the terms that govern that agreement:

• The Estimated Delivery Date is the creator’s estimate. The date listed on each reward is the creator’s estimate of when they will provide the reward — not a guarantee to fulfill by that date. The schedule may change as the creator works on the project. We ask creators to think carefully, set a date they feel confident they can work toward, and communicate with backers about any changes. "

So you are drawing in all sorts of legal doubt as to Kickstarters ruling and part in this, knowing their intent, what kind of money they have, and legal team, you are in between a rock and a hard place if that other place is a fraudster.

The thing is Kickstarters defence goes multiple layers deep. You may be able to trigger their 125$ clause for liability. And you btw sign away rights to take action towards them too.

From a non-legal standpoint, i suppose your best odds are to generate negative publicity about it on social media and see what happens.

Some courts in America, which I imagine you would need to travel there or be a citizen to utilize, have ruled that Kickstarer funders provide goods similar to retail chains, which establishes law of prior precedence.

Then there is international law, and who knows?

Unless you are a legal mastermind, you wont be getting more than you went in with, and chances are, it wont be worth it either.

So if something smells fishy, over the side of the boat it goes.

 

[Exophase]

Latest bit of desperate activity for today:

- PGS team member once again talks at length about how passionate he is about gaming and handhelds, as if that matters at all.
- The post a video that has a bunch of quick clips from random games stitched together, claiming that it's running on "the prototype" even though some of them actually have watermarks from other YouTubers on them! And of course it's all set to more cheesy generic movie-trailerish music. Who do they think they are convincing?
- Say they're holding a contest where the community decides on an indie game to bundle with the PGS and the game's developer gets awarded $15,000. So, they are already allocating money not towards developing the thing and fulfilling their KS obligations but trying to lure in more buyers for the next round. As if including some sub-$20 indie game is going to make a difference. Also, did they consider that most super successful indie developers (the kind that'd win a poll) would probably not license their game to a platform for a mere $15k?

 

[vcoleiro1]

Now backers are claiming people warning them are just GPD shills. One of them posted this video

 

[comradekingu]

This gaming project challenges my imagination more than most things… Put that in the PR-machine and quote it.