The World's First 5.5 Inch Handheld PC/Gaming Console Based on Windows 10 System.


That's totally normal with todays hardware and that's also the same with the Pyra.
However, you have RARE occassions where you have fully stressed CPUs.
 
Mr_Loon said:
Interesting, got a link for that?

From this review the picture was a little different :

FWIW I've got a tablet running a z8300 and that gets at most pleasantly warm after a couple of hours heavy CPU usage.
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Maybe this:

http://fudzilla.com/component/k2/39...-reviewed-in-teclast-x98-pro-tablet?showall=1

It should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that, given its specifications, it can't sustain peak turbo boost speed with all four cores active. The whole point of turbo boost is to allow clock speeds dynamically based on which parts are on and the total power budget.

That it first gets hot could be an issue - but they only reported core temperature, where 85C may not be indicative of a problem. That's certainly within the operating range of the CPU anyway. The question is whether or not the tablet itself got too hot, in which case it may have insufficient thermal design and is therefore violating the CPU's requirements.
 
I believe those two articles were what I was reading. The main thing I was wondering was whether the handheld form factor would be better or worse for heat spreading and whether the GPD WIN will be able to maintain sub 85C as well as the tablets do.

Regarding the article Mr_Loon linked to: how well do Aida64 and Cinebench actually stress the CPU and GPU simultaneously? For some reason I thought they were performing more of a CPU stress test with these benchmarks, but in the review they mention that heat was spiking primarily when GPU was stressed as well.
 
Exophase said:
The whole point of turbo boost is to allow clock speeds dynamically based on which parts are on and the total power budget.
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I always thought, the whole point of TurboBoost is to mislead customers. It's quite ingenious to sell thermal throttling as a feature.
 
SNESFAN said:
You can, it's got a UEFI, I put Linux on a cheap Windows tab from China, this won't be much different.

The question I'm waiting to hear though is if the UEFI is 32 or 64 bit....
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It may be UEFI be blocked, so you can only start in Windows.
Who knows if Microsoft free license force locked UEFI.
 
oskda said:
It may be UEFI be blocked, so you can only start in Windows.
Who knows if Microsoft free license force locked UEFI.
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Fair enough claim, it's possible. I don't feel it's likely to be the situation though.

I have only heard of one that was locked when they first started making windows tabs. I have yet to see a Chinese one locked down though.
 
Haraldur said:
I have expanded this comparison page: https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart

Please check it for accuracy, assure that my value judgements (the colours) are justifiable and add more data as you see fit.
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Maybe the cells shouldn't be coloured at all, to get the chart as neutral as we can. Otherwise someone can get the impression that the chart might be designed to let the pyra look as good as possible. E.g someone might complain that thickness would be more important than width for someone, or that the gpd's CPU should be green etc.

Without color, everone could decide which features are most important for them.
 
Blue Shadow said:
Maybe the cells shouldn't be coloured at all, to get the chart as neutral as we can. Otherwise someone can get the impression that the chart might be designed to let the pyra look as good as possible. E.g someone might complain that thickness would be more important than width for someone, or that the gpd's CPU should be green etc.

Without color, everone could decide which features are most important for them.
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You're right, the Preferred Size may vary from Person to Person, but the remaining (colored) Fields are Clear Advantages/Disadvantages. Haraldur did a good Job there IMHO.
 
Blue Shadow said:
Maybe the cells shouldn't be coloured at all, to get the chart as neutral as we can. Otherwise someone can get the impression that the chart might be designed to let the pyra look as good as possible. E.g someone might complain that thickness would be more important than width for someone, or that the gpd's CPU should be green etc.

Without color, everone could decide which features are most important for them.
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I love those colors, it's so incredibly clear, and even if someone is not at the same idea for red or green on something, at least he knows that there something differs

also to let Pyra looks even more good, an "ARM compatibility" row should be added :D
 
I feel like some comparison of the keyboards should be included there.
The GPD will feel a bit more familiar, though I question its usability (which is preference and hard to quantify).

Am I seeing it correctly, is the GPD Win lacking the home/end and insert keys? Oh well, plenty of space to map them.
Maybe the number of keyboard keys is a valid quantitative metric.
 
lukey said:
@Haraldur We still don't know if we should use GiB or Gb as Unit. :p
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Well... GiB (GibiByte -- 2^30, not GigaByte--10^9) is less ambiguous, so I prefer it.

Blue Shadow said:
Maybe the cells shouldn't be coloured at all, to get the chart as neutral as we can. Otherwise someone can get the impression that the chart might be designed to let the pyra look as good as possible. E.g someone might complain that thickness would be more important than width for someone, or that the gpd's CPU should be green etc.

Without color, everyone could decide which features are most important for them.
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I agree with the idea of making this as neutral as possible. I did not colour the "size" cells, but I do not disagree with colouring them either -- it is a grey area, I think. Other coloured cells are certainly OK, as some things are clearly better than others. I think the CPU question may be too complex to give colours to, but I know little about the GPD Win's -- what is its power draw, for instance?

Colours are useful for just glancing at. If this comparison chart is much used, most people would only skim it, with only a few studying it deeply. Of those few, fewer still would have definite opinions on the differing merits of PowerVR vs Intel HD or x86 vs ARM.

PowerGod said:
also to let Pyra looks even more good, an "ARM compatibility" row should be added :D
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Is there any significant ARM-only software that the Pyra can offer? By using Windows 10, the GPD WIN, in theory, can offer 20 years worth of software for the most popular desktop operating system. If a good Android compatibility layer (perhaps a more mature version of Shashlik) exists in the future, allowing the Pyra not only to run Java-only software but also native ARM programs (which would mostly be less useful than the utility programs like taxi apps, being mostly games), then maybe such a row would be justified.
 
lukey said:
You're right, the Preferred Size may vary from Person to Person, but the remaining (colored) Fields are Clear Advantages/Disadvantages. Haraldur did a good Job there IMHO.
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I did' not question that, indeed he did a good job.

But I think it doesn't matter if the colors are justified, it's more a matter of the signal the chart might send.

Right now, the GPD win has 6 red cells while the Pyra don't have a single red one (And I have to admit that I don't know how to change that, but I also don't know much about the GPD WIN). Not even orange.
So possibly someone may look at this chart, see the massive color difference and might think: "Well of course, it's the Pyra Wiki, they just picked the stats in wich Pyra is best."

With neutral colors the risk for those rumors is just much less I think.
 
Blue Shadow said:
I did' not question that, indeed he did a good job.

But I think it doesn't matter if the colors are justified, it's more a matter of the signal the chart might send.

Right now, the GPD win has 6 red cells while the Pyra don't have a single red one (And I have to admit that I don't know how to change that, but I also don't know much about the GPD WIN). Not even orange.
So possibly someone may look at this chart, see the massive color difference and might think: "Well of course, it's the Pyra Wiki, they just picked the stats in wich Pyra is best."

With neutral colors the risk for those rumors is just much less I think.
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Red is for Missing Features. There's simply nothing that the GPD Win has but the Pyra Doesn't. "Microsoft Windows x86 compatibility" Should be orange for the Pyra (and even more for Pandora) IMHO.
 
Blue Shadow said:
I did' not question that, indeed he did a good job.

But I think it doesn't matter if the colors are justified, it's more a matter of the signal the chart might send.

Right now, the GPD win has 6 red cells while the Pyra don't have a single red one (And I have to admit that I don't know how to change that, but I also don't know much about the GPD WIN). Not even orange.
So possibly someone may look at this chart, see the massive color difference and might think: "Well of course, it's the Pyra Wiki, they just picked the stats in wich Pyra is best."

With neutral colors the risk for those rumors is just much less I think.
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Part of the point is to show that the Pyra will be superior (as we genuinely believe). Since the Pyra will be better in almost every way than the Pandora, it is unlikely that there will be a situation where the Pyra is red while the Pandora is not. If we really wanted to, we could perhaps justify giving the GPD WIN's CPU green, making the Pyra yellow and the Pandora orange (I think that red should indicate the total lack of a feature, while orange is "majorly sub-par" and yellow "slightly sub-par").

lukey said:
Red is for Missing Features. There's simply nothing that the GPD Win has but the Pyra Doesn't. "Microsoft Windows x86 compatibility" Should be orange for the Pyra (and even more for Pandora) IMHO.
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I did consider that: an x86 but GNU/Linux-only device would be yellow, as it would require WINE but not Exagear. I have not used Exagear -- how much of a hassle is it? If it is significantly harder than using WINE with PlayOnLinux, then perhaps it should be marked orange.
 
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lukey said:
Red is for Missing Features. There's simply nothing that the GPD Win has but the Pyra Doesn't. "Microsoft Windows x86 compatibility" Should be orange for the Pyra (and even more for Pandora) IMHO.
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I know. But red also stand for "very bad". Like I said, I was talking about the signals.
Yep the problem with orange is that in this chart, it is reserved for "not missing, but the worst of all three". So as pandoras succesor, it is almost impossible for the pyra to have anything at orange.
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Haraldur said:
Part of the point is to show that the Pyra will be superiour (as we genuinely believe).
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Absolutely. At least for our needs and ideals

I just prefer to point out those things more subtle, to minimize the risk that it looks like agressive advertising, but maybe I'm just overcautious here.
 
Haraldur said:
I have not used Exagear -- how much of a hassle is it? If it is significantly harder than using WINE with PlayOnLinux, then perhaps it should be marked orange.
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Well it's slow(I think ~800Mhz? P3 on the Pyra). And Battery runtime will be shorter than with an Native Processor when running such Apps.

Blue Shadow said:
I know. But red also stand for "very bad".
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Maybe we could only remove the Red Colors? That would show(or signal) the Strengths of every System.

Edit: Can some Mod Split this thread?
 
lukey said:
Maybe we could only remove the Red Colors? That would show(or signal) the Strengths of every System.
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That may do it. Maybe with a greyed-out-effect. The other way around could also do the trick: Green for yes, red for no and the rest simply neutral (that's basically the color scheme of many wikipedia comparison charts). That way the colors only would be used for things that are absolutely clear and not arguable.

But as I said, maybe It's just me and actually the colors won't.have any negative side effects. I just don't want to provide critics a target here.
 
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