The World's First 5.5 Inch Handheld PC/Gaming Console Based on Windows 10 System.

[Kiga]

I have expanded this comparison page: https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart

Please check it for accuracy, assure that my value judgements (the colours) are justifiable and add more data as you see fit.

You putted gpd win on the OFFICIAL Pyra wiki page between Pyra and Pandora? Really?

I mean the idea of having a comparison chart is good so that we can link it whenever an ignorant praise gpd win, but you can't put gpd win on Pyra wiki. What Pyra have to do with gpd win? Gpd should do that. It looks like a company who made a copy (knockoff kof kof) of a product and compare themselves to it in their advertisement because they want to prove that despite being a copy they worth being bought. It's like a comparison between iphone 2 and newcomer(copy) galaxy 1 on apple official website.
If we link a comparison about gpd win between Pyra and Pandora on the official Pyra page we will lose credit.
Such a comparison have to be on a non official website or the forum, this could be simply an uploaded image.

 

[Haraldur]

You putted gpd win on the OFFICIAL Pyra wiki page between Pyra and Pandora? Really?

It was like that before I got there. I chose not to change the order.

It looks like a company who made a copy (knockoff kof kof) of a product and compare themselves to it in their advertisement because they want to prove that despite being a copy they worth buying. It's like a comparison between iphone 2 and galaxy 1 on apple official website.

It would be better if there were more non-Pyra non-Pandora devices to compare. Are there any other competitors? I suspect that we would go to far if we end up needing to add a "Keyboard -- Yes/No" row.

 

[lukey]

You putted gpd win on the OFFICIAL Pyra wiki page between Pyra and Pandora? Really?

I mean the idea of having a comparison chart is good so that we can link it whenever an ignorant praise gpd win, but you can't put gpd win on Pyra wiki. What gpd win have to do with Pyra? It looks like a company who made a copy (knockoff kof kof) of a product and compare themselves to it in their advertisement because they want to prove that despite being a copy they worth being bought. It's like a comparison between iphone 2 and galaxy 1 on apple official website.
If we link a comparison about gpd win between Pyra and Pandora on the official Pyra page we will lose credit.
Such a comparison have to be on a non official website or the forum, this could be simply an uploaded image.

Based on this Opinion, should we go back to waht we started with?: https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_Chart&direction=next&oldid=184 (Red for GPD Win Everywhere )

 

[Blue Shadow]

What gpd win have to do with Pyra?

Well, both will be buyable from Dragonbox Shop. At least that might reduce the risk of critique a bit.

It looks like a company who made a copy (knockoff kof kof) of a product and compare themselves to it in their advertisement because they want to prove that despite being a copy they worth being bought. It's like a comparison between iphone 2 and galaxy 1 on apple official website.

Thats's why I would like the comparism to look as neutral as possible, - to avoid the "look how superior the pyra is"-vibe more to a "that's how the keyboard handhelds available from Dragonbox differ".

@lukey : As I don't wanted to interfer with your editing, I just tested to use grey for a "No"-Field at the Wiki-preview. Might be a compromise in between your two versions.

 

[Kiga]

IMO you should complete the comparison, then make a screenshot whitout the Pandora side and then remove gpd win from Pyra wiki.
That way you conserve a clear comparison between Pyra and gpd win which you post here on the forum. You can link the image to whoever argue about gpd win in comment sections and forums or link to the forum post so that you also bring people here.
Everyone will know how much Pyra is better than gpd win plus whitout going through the pain of arguing.

 

[Exophase]

I always thought, the whole point of TurboBoost is to mislead customers. It's quite ingenious to sell thermal throttling as a feature.

But it's not thermal throttling because it manages the power budget ahead of that. And it actually is a feature that quite a lot of work has been put into making good - anyone can throttle if they pick arbitrarily low performance points but trying to balance and predict the power budget in a way that comes close to optimal performance is hard. Before Turbo Boost you simply got multi-core processors with a TDP rated for all of them running at peak clock and no dynamic management of peak loads, and single threaded performance was worse for CPUs that were much more power hungry. See: Nehalem.

Actual thermal throttling has to lower performance a lot more because it's harder to lower temperature than to not raise it in the first place, yet it's also more urgent and therefore must be more drastic. Other SoCs + OSes tend to do a much poorer job at this. Look at Snapdragon 808/S810 - in addition to having overall poor efficiency they managed the power budget poorly. Run all four cores and it throttles down severely, or just run one core and it throttles down more or less in the same way.

 

[_jr_]

But it's not thermal throttling because it manages the power budget ahead of that. And it actually is a feature that quite a lot of work has been put into making good - anyone can throttle if they pick arbitrarily low performance points but trying to balance and predict the power budget in a way that comes close to optimal performance is hard. Before Turbo Boost you simply got multi-core processors with a TDP rated for all of them running at peak clock and no dynamic management of peak loads, and single threaded performance was worse for CPUs that were much more power hungry. See: Nehalem.

Actual thermal throttling has to lower performance a lot more because it's harder to lower temperature than to not raise it in the first place, yet it's also more urgent and therefore must be more drastic. Other SoCs + OSes tend to do a much poorer job at this. Look at Snapdragon 808/S810 - in addition to having overall poor efficiency they managed the power budget poorly. Run all four cores and it throttles down severely, or just run one core and it throttles down more or less in the same way.

I agree that TurboBoost is quite adequate in a lot of typical situations. I don't agree that it is working well in all circumstances. Even though it has become better in the new system I've below my desk, it still annoys me that some workloads (poorly parallelized long running tasks) will take noticably longer unless I refrain from doing anything else on a system that is mostly unused. A slower but constant speed system would at least relieve me from some responsibility.

 

[PowerGod]

Is there any significant ARM-only software that the Pyra can offer? By using Windows 10, the GPD WIN, in theory, can offer 20 years worth of software for the most popular desktop operating system. If a good Android compatibility layer (perhaps a more mature version of Shashlik) exists in the future, allowing the Pyra not only to run Java-only software but also native ARM programs (which would mostly be less useful than the utility programs like taxi apps, being mostly games), then maybe such a row would be justified.

That was supposed to be a joke Anyway in the Pandora repo there's a LOT of things optimized just for ARM

 

[levi]

To miss the joke spectacularly, the Pandora offers access to GNU software such as Emacs which is 31 years old or so. Or perhaps, more sensibly, GCC which is 30 years old (but it has been updated since then

Edit: Damnit, can't count. The 80s were 30 years ago now.

 

[Exophase]

I agree that TurboBoost is quite adequate in a lot of typical situations. I don't agree that it is working well in all circumstances. Even though it has become better in the new system I've below my desk, it still annoys me that some workloads (poorly parallelized long running tasks) will take noticably longer unless I refrain from doing anything else on a system that is mostly unused. A slower but constant speed system would at least relieve me from some responsibility.

There are ways (depending on your OS) to keep the CPU below maximum frequencies if you want it to be more consistently low performance.

 

[ZXDunny]

Everyone will know how much Pyra is better than gpd win plus whitout going through the pain of arguing.

Hmm. I'm not sure about that. We don't know that the Pyra is better than the GPD Win - neither is available for review yet, and the only thing we've seen of the Pyra is video (though the GPD Win is still way behind in terms of production, which makes your assertion even more baffling). So far the only thing that the GPD device needs to fix is keyboard accessibility, and the community are going to have a couple of keyboard threads to fix it, so that's all good.

Sure the Pyra looks good, but so did the Pandora - and it was a very long time indeed before it even started to live up to the hype that was poured upon it. The GPD Win could turn out better - nobody has enough information for a dispassionate assessment at present, and all we do have are fanboys foaming at the mouth at this "interloper" into what they consider their personal territory.

D.

 

[TrashyMG]

Hmm. I'm not sure about that. We don't know that the Pyra is better than the GPD Win - neither is available for review yet, and the only thing we've seen of the Pyra is video (though the GPD Win is still way behind in terms of production, which makes your assertion even more baffling). So far the only thing that the GPD device needs to fix is keyboard accessibility, and the community are going to have a couple of keyboard threads to fix it, so that's all good.

Lack of Windows 10, I already know it's better.

 

[erico]

Nah don´t worry about the plug, it is normal and acceptable (1 thread, not 300). I think it is even nice that they came over, that means they know about pandora and pyra and eventually people will know the other way around.
Having an official outside thread is cool, and you know that we are all handheld freak ,we would bring it over one way or another.

Back at the GLBasic forum we constantly discuss all development tools code wise, new and old. People jump over to other products and relate experiences, it is nice.
Same in the gamebuino forum, we discuss about all arduino handhelds.

I think that is quite nice and healthy. Forums are for discussions and I think it is very important to do so, even if we are discussing possibilities only (ya, things that don´t exist).

 

[Kiga]

Everyone will know how much Pyra is better than gpd win plus whitout going through the pain of arguing.

Hmm. I'm not sure about that. We don't know that the Pyra is better than the GPD Win - neither is available for review yet, and the only thing we've seen of the Pyra is video (though the GPD Win is still way behind in terms of production, which makes your assertion even more baffling). So far the only thing that the GPD device needs to fix is keyboard accessibility, and the community are going to have a couple of keyboard threads to fix it, so that's all good.

Sure the Pyra looks good, but so did the Pandora - and it was a very long time indeed before it even started to live up to the hype that was poured upon it. The GPD Win could turn out better - nobody has enough information for a dispassionate assessment at present, and all we do have are fanboys foaming at the mouth at this "interloper" into what they consider their personal territory.

D.

Dude, I don't give a fuck about your opinion.

Spoiler

Are you too dumb to understand that "Pyra is better" can't be literal because Pya doesn't even exist?
Of course I didn't tested Pyra nor Win, but people who are arguing about Pyra and Win didn't either. All we can argue about is virtual, it's the information we have of what is planned. And when you talk about something there is always something you don't know about this thing so even if you had both Pyra and Win in your hands you couldn't say that one is absolutly better than the other, all you can do is your best with informations you have. And of course what is better is also relative to who is gonna use it, so "everyone" can only be an hyperbola. To make it simple for you I believe that for most people Pyra is better according to informations in the comparison.

 

[levi]

I think you spoilered the wrong bit.

 

[ZXDunny]

Dude, I don't give a fuck about your opinion.

Are you too dumb to understand that "Pyra is better" can't be literal because Pya doesn't even exist?
Of course I didn't tested Pyra nor Win, but people who are arguing about Pyra and Win didn't either. All we can argue about is virtual, it's the information we have of what is planned. And when you talk about something there is always something you don't know about this thing so even if you had both Pyra and Win in your hands you couldn't say that one is absolutly better than the other, all you can do is your best with informations you have. And of course what is better is also relative to who is gonna use it, so "everyone" can only be an hyperbola. To make it simple for you I believe that for most people Pyra is better according to informations in the comparison.

I'm not sure you really understood my post to be fair - and as you admit, you believe that the Pyra is better for most people according to information available. Given that the amount of information about the GPD device is scant to say the least, I'm not sure that you're qualified to make that assessment - especially since you haven't used either device yet. Nor are you "most people" - what sort of inclusion are you using here? Most of which group? If we're on about "most linux enthusiasts" then yes, you may be correct. However, there has been significant noise made on this very forum asking for an x86 CPU to be used (or available at launch, or soon after) so that people can run Windows. All of which points to you being somewhat incorrect.

Not to mention an unpleasant individual.


Language, please - Binky

D.

 

[_jr_]

There are ways (depending on your OS) to keep the CPU below maximum frequencies if you want it to be more consistently low performance.

It's windows at work and I'm not admin (and admins are not willing to providing different profiles for different user groups).

 

[Kiga]

I'm not sure you really understood my post to be fair - and as you admit, you believe that the Pyra is better for most people according to information available. Given that the amount of information about the GPD device is scant to say the least, I'm not sure that you're qualified to make that assessment - especially since you haven't used either device yet. Nor are you "most people" - what sort of inclusion are you using here? Most of which group? If we're on about "most linux enthusiasts" then yes, you may be correct. However, there has been significant noise made on this very forum asking for an x86 CPU to be used (or available at launch, or soon after) so that people can run Windows. All of which points to you being somewhat incorrect.

Not to mention an unpleasant individual.

Language, please - Binky

D.

This is why I wanted to just say I don't care about your opinion, but I couldn't resist adding more. Bye.

Please can't we keep it polite? - Binky

 

[Mr_Loon]

Then again we could surely use the publicity from your high traffic and market audience. Im coming over to tell everyone about the good news of our Pyra!

Not forgetting the additional fact that ED will most probably be selling the GPD Win via his shop. It would be interesting if he re-branded it the GPD Lin.....

 

[EvilDragon]

Well, you can be sure I will offer Linux versions as well if it's easy to preinstall Linux to.