Ahh, the one on gumroad that has already been taken down then.
I'm not familiar with gumroad, is it a site to buy (existing) stuff by upfront payment?
PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor
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I'm not familiar with gumroad, is it a site to buy (existing) stuff by upfront payment?
rygD
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I had not heard of either of the two sites they were using to take people's money until I read about the most recent update. I suppose it is better for the "customer" if there is a middle man, as it might be harder for them to just take the money and not give anything in return.
BTW, I am still accepting money if people just want to give it away.
BTW, I am still accepting money if people just want to give it away.
comradekingu
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I found the conspiracy in that people with malicious intent, previously claimed to be paid, coming from the outside, when PGS gets caught doing so, would someone poison their community, to the point where the media would believe in their lies, with claims of the project or persons behind it being non-proven, quite amusing.
It is the thinnest excuse you could ever ask for. Meanwhile claiming they have a community, of enormous size, and all the credentials of a non-sinking ship, just prior to the last bubble of air escaping it.
If this is what you get for asking questions, you are left with this result. I fear some of the people deluding themselves into believing any of it to begin with, may still be loyal and determined to belief. The religious delusion turns cult.
PGS needs an arena where it can speak to its following unquestioned. Good thing it couldn't take misconceptions along with it to do so. Asking for money upfront, with even less to prove, more promises made, at a suggested lower price, is absurd.
As long as its just a few people, whom you cant ever talk sense to, PGS can make their claims come true on their own accord.
They have, in their own words, a proven interest, and a backer willing to bankroll the whole operation. With that onset, you would figure not subsidizing a small batch would actually be beneficial.
It is the thinnest excuse you could ever ask for. Meanwhile claiming they have a community, of enormous size, and all the credentials of a non-sinking ship, just prior to the last bubble of air escaping it.
If this is what you get for asking questions, you are left with this result. I fear some of the people deluding themselves into believing any of it to begin with, may still be loyal and determined to belief. The religious delusion turns cult.
PGS needs an arena where it can speak to its following unquestioned. Good thing it couldn't take misconceptions along with it to do so. Asking for money upfront, with even less to prove, more promises made, at a suggested lower price, is absurd.
As long as its just a few people, whom you cant ever talk sense to, PGS can make their claims come true on their own accord.
They have, in their own words, a proven interest, and a backer willing to bankroll the whole operation. With that onset, you would figure not subsidizing a small batch would actually be beneficial.
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Neelix
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My statement was conditional on them not taking money upfront. Exophase's statement of Celery's rules implied (to my mind at least) that they (Celery) may have had a process in place to allow processing of pre-orders without taking upfront payment which PGS may (or may not) have been using.
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The change of direction (cancelling Kickstarter but still taking pre orders) certainly seems to raise more questions than it gives answers.
If the goal was to stop people thinking this is a scam project they should really look at the wording on their official website that gives the distinct impression that the device has been designed and tested and is ready to be mass produced. Things like : 'The PGS was built and designed by gamers, for gamers.' would certainly give me the impression that at the very least a fully working prototype exists (if I was a newcomer to the site and had not seen the Kickstarter).
If the goal was to stop people thinking this is a scam project they should really look at the wording on their official website that gives the distinct impression that the device has been designed and tested and is ready to be mass produced. Things like : 'The PGS was built and designed by gamers, for gamers.' would certainly give me the impression that at the very least a fully working prototype exists (if I was a newcomer to the site and had not seen the Kickstarter).
erico
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Ops... yep, I get it now.
Exophase
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Celery apparently supports both, this is from their features page:
"Choose between charging now or later. And you can even toggle this on the fly."
It doesn't even say whether it'll charge you or not before you attempt to pay so you don't have any idea what you're getting into.. But I think they've made it clear that they're taking money upfront. Which is the biggest indicator yet that they're not being honest about investors. If they truly only needed to secure interest and didn't need the money now they'd use the charge later method, there's no reason whatsoever not to.
ible
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Celery itself must be a scam!
rygD
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Why, don't you sing about the goodies that will eventually be heading your way?
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Thank goodness that this insane idea was "cancelled" by Kickstarter. I say "cancelled" because the person(s) behind this sham of a project was given an ultimatum by Kickstarter (possibly among others). They HAD TO remove their pledge drive. All that's left is to see how ugly it ends up for the few believers that still want a device to exist beyond all reality and common sense. This got so big that Russian media called it a national insult. The paid actors probably won't get any cash now. Oh well. I'm more proud than ever to own a Pandora, to be a backer of the Pyra and to trust and converse with reputable people that seek to build REAL products.
May we all seek the truth.
May we all seek the truth.
Exophase
Nothing good will ever come of Exophase.
This is really awful. Now that the KS is over they've transitioned to a much more blatant scam and there's no way to warn their former backers or anyone who follows them through social media. I just hope that people are smart enough to realize that they should not be giving them their money.
FaeMinx
Rainbow Liberation Instigation
Imagine if this secret investor is actually....
.... Craigix !!!!
.... Craigix !!!!
Exophase
Nothing good will ever come of Exophase.
Now that they've realized the system they're using doesn't support PayPal they're promising to add support for it. They must not understand that PayPal explicitly bans advance payments for non-existing goods. For obvious reason - of course they're not going to stand by a six-month refund policy for such a thing.
Is anyone here still listed as a backer with the cancelled KS? It would be really good if someone could make it very clear that collecting money upfront on a service that allows delayed payment is in blatant contradiction to their claims that they only need commitment and not capital to trigger investment. And that it casts serious doubt on their investor story.
Is anyone here still listed as a backer with the cancelled KS? It would be really good if someone could make it very clear that collecting money upfront on a service that allows delayed payment is in blatant contradiction to their claims that they only need commitment and not capital to trigger investment. And that it casts serious doubt on their investor story.
rygD
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directive0
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I'm so bored of this and the GPD Win. I am really looking forward to the next Pyra vid.
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I made a comment along the lines of what Exophase posted. Not as eloquent but hopefully covered some of his points. At this point there's not much you can do to protect anyone. If they don't go to the KS comments page or any of the various message boards they will have to use their head or they are SOL.
I read that the /r/kickstarterscams redditors were trying to get Celery to shutdown PGS, but even if that happens they'll just keep moving around like a cockroach.
While I myself am pretty excited with the Win. I am really excited for more Pyra content. ED promised some more media at Gamescon and hopefully some reaction from some forum members that visit his booth too!
I read that the /r/kickstarterscams redditors were trying to get Celery to shutdown PGS, but even if that happens they'll just keep moving around like a cockroach.
While I myself am pretty excited with the Win. I am really excited for more Pyra content. ED promised some more media at Gamescon and hopefully some reaction from some forum members that visit his booth too!
Well our "mission" to prevent KS backers (especially those for whom it was their first KS project) from being scammed and disgusted is done now. What happens outside KS is not any longer my concern. I wish KS had cancelled it earlier so we could trust KS yet.
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