PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[erico]

What? Cancelled? Damn it! It was fun...not as fun as smack Z, but fun none the less.
Let´s just hope the next season of "the impossible handheld" doesn´t take too long to crop up.
At the end they did a gag on the "I will be back" with the added bonus of having a self crowd fund stuff, like the procedural mighty Oton...

But seriously, you don´t get this kind of entertainment even if you pay for the show.
Maybe I should donate something for the great super fun time they delivered.

 

[Neelix]

Here is an interesting hypothesis:

jack about 1 hour ago
Here's my guess: Some or all of the first $100k was their own money via fake backers and funding was dropping to the point that the profits after Kickstarter takes their cut wouldn't be worth it.

I don't buy that. As far as I could tell they were still getting new backers at fairly close to the rate they were loosing them. If they hadn't been the total would have dropped a lot faster. (even at the end they still had just over $300000 in pledges)

I'm curious if they are actually taking money on the new site or just orders like Exophase suggested. If it's the latter then I'm tempted to believe that they are sincere in their ambitions, and just extremely clueless when it comes to execution...

-Neelix

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

And there was codename flyght- which was nothing more than a google sketch mock up https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/the-pawbyte-codenamed-flyght-console.70376/ Spearheaded by Mister Enthusiastic.

 

[Yoyobuae]

Excellent Expert about 4 hours ago
Does this mean I don't have to act like a PGS supporter anymore?

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I don't think the new site allows charging until you're ready to ship. So maybe they really are just using it to ensure sales will be there later.

I still wouldn't trust it. Who knows if they'll really ship (or ship the promised thing) after saying they are.

I'm not so sure:

Jean-paul Joseph about 5 hours ago
So the preorders on the site pay for products when shipping or pay upfront?

Alec Arzh Alexander about 4 hours ago
@Jean-paul Joseph
Upfront

 

[Exophase]

I'm not so sure:

That's odd because Celery's FAQ (https://www.trycelery.com/faq) makes a big deal about delayed charging, even suggesting that it's necessary to comply with US federal regulations. Kind of messed up if they say all that but still go ahead and offer the alternative anyway, but I guess it doesn't explicitly say anywhere that they don't. Nowhere I can find anyway.

I suppose it's possible PGS wasn't even aware of what's going on with the site but that's pretty unlikely.

If this is really the case then it once again blows any claims of having an investor that can fund everything out of the water. Nobody should accept this.

BTW, the pre-order button on the blog page, the one they link from their Twitter, still links to the defunct Gumroad page. Very sloppy.

 

[Yoyobuae]

I suppose it's possible PGS wasn't even aware of what's going on with the site but that's pretty unlikely.

If this is really the case then it once again blows any claims of having an investor that can fund everything out of the water. Nobody should accept this.

BTW, the pre-order button on the blog page, the one they link from their Twitter, still links to the defunct Gumroad page. Very sloppy.

To me it seems PGS (Nadir?) is as clueless as usual, and did not realize that they (he?) can't setup a preorder on those sites. It's likely that Gumroad shut them down once they realized it was a preorder/crowdfunding attempt.

I wouldn't be surprised if their trycelery page gets cancelled as well. I mean PGS scores 5/5 according to this blog post:
https://blog.trycelery.com/5-red-flags-crowdfunding-fraud/

 

[erico]

="Neelix, post: 1387720, member: 20622"... ]If it's the latter then I'm tempted to believe that they are sincere in their ambitions, and just extremely clueless when it comes to execution...
-Neelix

I have to disagree, it is just totally impossible to be sincere on an ambition that one is clueless about its execution while you are asking money upfront to execute it.
This World is made of actions.

 

[Exophase]

Reading about the KREYOS fiasco I am actually starting to wonder if PGS has "investors" who are promising to do all the substantial work themselves.

 

[Klumpen]

That's odd because Celery's FAQ (https://www.trycelery.com/faq) makes a big deal about delayed charging, even suggesting that it's necessary to comply with US federal regulations. Kind of messed up if they say all that but still go ahead and offer the alternative anyway, but I guess it doesn't explicitly say anywhere that they don't. Nowhere I can find anyway.

I suppose it's possible PGS wasn't even aware of what's going on with the site but that's pretty unlikely.

If this is really the case then it once again blows any claims of having an investor that can fund everything out of the water. Nobody should accept this.

BTW, the pre-order button on the blog page, the one they link from their Twitter, still links to the defunct Gumroad page. Very sloppy.

Look at the very bottom of http://pgslab.com/, he is currently setting up his own pre-order system with upfront payment and it's likely that trycelery will take it down too since PGS checks 5 of the 5 red flags for scams as stated by trycelery itself. Makes me wonder why they allowed it in the first place.
He is desperately trying to get the money he supposedly doesn't need thanks to the magical anonymous investor.
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Bluff called -> folded

I don't think so.

People were asking for the real team, information about the investors and all the contradictions time and again and they always responded with distractions, then a big update revealing all the information which is demanded and makes them trustworthy all of a sudden is announced for yesterday only to cancel it with exactly this update. It is the prime example of a called and folded bluff.

 

[Roly-poly man]

Look at the very bottom of http://pgslab.com/, he is currently setting up his own pre-order system with upfront payment and it's likely that trycelery will take it down too since PGS checks 5 of the 5 red flags for scams as stated by trycelery itself. Makes me wonder why they allowed it in the first place.
He is desperately trying to get the money he supposedly doesn't need thanks to the magical anonymous investor.

Precisely this. If this doesn't send up the biggest red flag of all for you, then you sort of deserve to be scammed...

 

[vcoleiro1]

If you guys are referring to the Pre-Order Coming Soon at the bottom of the page. It has always said that. ie , it does not mean they are setting up their own pre-order page.

Unless you were referring to something else?

 

[Klumpen]

If you guys are referring to the Pre-Order Coming Soon at the bottom of the page. It has always said that. ie , it does not mean they are setting up their own pre-order page.

Unless you were referring to something else?

Yes, Nadir's own comment:

PGS LAB Creator about 19 hours ago
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After the release the device will become available on such stores as Amazon and Gearbest. The price for Hardcore version will start from 360$. This is higher than the Kickstarter price, so to make it fair we are opening the preorder system on pgslab.com Preorder price is 299$. During a month since today you will be able to use a promo code "hardcore". Having entered it on the payment page, you will get an additional discount of 40$ (resulting price would be 259$).
[blabla]

Alec Arzh Alexander about 9 hours ago
@Jean-paul Joseph
Upfront

 

[rygD]

People were asking for the real team, information about the investors and all the contradictions time and again and they always responded with distractions, then a big update revealing all the information which is demanded and makes them trustworthy all of a sudden is announced for yesterday only to cancel it with exactly this update. It is the prime example of a called and folded bluff.

That may be how you see it. To me it looks like they pushed everything from the table on the floor, blamed it on the wind because the person that hosted the game left the window open, and said that everyone that wants a good game should leave with them and play at their place since there are so many in the current game that are dragging it down.

We are the wind and the unnamed players dragging the game down (by calling him out for using someone else's chips, and possibly straight up cheating).

If you guys are referring to the Pre-Order Coming Soon at the bottom of the page. It has always said that. ie , it does not mean they are setting up their own pre-order page.

Unless you were referring to something else?

I was going to take a look and try to help you out, but their site seems to hate mobile users, which I had forgotten about from months ago.

 

[vcoleiro1]

@Klumpen
Nadir is referring to the pre-order link on the pgslab.com page. The link that takes you to the 3rd party pre-order site.

 

[Klumpen]

@Klumpen
Nadir is referring to the pre-order link on the pgslab.com page. The link that takes you to the 3rd party pre-order site.

Ahh, the one on gumroad that has already been taken down then.
I'm not familiar with gumroad, is it a site to buy (existing) stuff by upfront payment?

 

[rygD]

I had not heard of either of the two sites they were using to take people's money until I read about the most recent update. I suppose it is better for the "customer" if there is a middle man, as it might be harder for them to just take the money and not give anything in return.

BTW, I am still accepting money if people just want to give it away.

 

[comradekingu]

I found the conspiracy in that people with malicious intent, previously claimed to be paid, coming from the outside, when PGS gets caught doing so, would someone poison their community, to the point where the media would believe in their lies, with claims of the project or persons behind it being non-proven, quite amusing.

It is the thinnest excuse you could ever ask for. Meanwhile claiming they have a community, of enormous size, and all the credentials of a non-sinking ship, just prior to the last bubble of air escaping it.

If this is what you get for asking questions, you are left with this result. I fear some of the people deluding themselves into believing any of it to begin with, may still be loyal and determined to belief. The religious delusion turns cult.

PGS needs an arena where it can speak to its following unquestioned. Good thing it couldn't take misconceptions along with it to do so. Asking for money upfront, with even less to prove, more promises made, at a suggested lower price, is absurd.

As long as its just a few people, whom you cant ever talk sense to, PGS can make their claims come true on their own accord.

They have, in their own words, a proven interest, and a backer willing to bankroll the whole operation. With that onset, you would figure not subsidizing a small batch would actually be beneficial.

 

[Klumpen]

If this is what you get for asking questions, you are left with this result. I fear some of the people deluding themselves into believing any of it to begin with, may still be loyal and determined to belief. The religious delusion turns cult.

 

[Neelix]

... If it's the latter then I'm tempted to believe that they are sincere in their ambitions, and just extremely clueless when it comes to execution...

I have to disagree, it is just totally impossible to be sincere on an ambition that one is clueless about its execution while you are asking money upfront to execute it.
This World is made of actions.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My statement was conditional on them not taking money upfront. Exophase's statement of Celery's rules implied (to my mind at least) that they (Celery) may have had a process in place to allow processing of pre-orders without taking upfront payment which PGS may (or may not) have been using.

-Neelix

 

[Mr_Loon]

The change of direction (cancelling Kickstarter but still taking pre orders) certainly seems to raise more questions than it gives answers.

If the goal was to stop people thinking this is a scam project they should really look at the wording on their official website that gives the distinct impression that the device has been designed and tested and is ready to be mass produced. Things like : 'The PGS was built and designed by gamers, for gamers.' would certainly give me the impression that at the very least a fully working prototype exists (if I was a newcomer to the site and had not seen the Kickstarter).