PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[Alperoot]

i like how their prototype is single screen, hacked together from other devices, with a lid that can't close, and you know how easy it will be to add a second screen.

To be a prototype, it needs to be lacking some features from the final product. Right?

 

[vcoleiro1]

You know, the PGS KS video has many similarities to the Ouya's KS video. I don't think they had a prototype either BTW - the KS rules were different then though.

Look at Ouya's KS video , the similarities with PGS's include:

1) Some 3rd party reference board seeming as if it's the prototype. Check

2) Guy in a workshop sanding a model of the Ouya as like with the PGS. Check

3) Design drawings of the Ouya shown a lot including a stack pinned on a board - as also happened with PGS's video. Check

4) Guy looking over some supposed workers as they sit at their computers. Check

5) Shots of a Japanese/asian designer. Check

6) Scene with the core team members sitting in a meeting room discussing the design. Check

 

[Alperoot]

I don't understand what you are saying. Do you mean OUYA was also a scam? (because a 2 minute research says the opposite) Or they never had a proper teaser video?

 

[vcoleiro1]

@Alpibrine28 - What! . No dude, just that the campaign video for PGS borrowed a lot from Ouya's . That's all. Oh, and that Ouya was also extremely ambitous and without a prototype. But still managed to deliver a seemingly impossible to do $99 console.



PGS Cancelled the KS campaign. Apparently their investor is going to fund them anyway and they are now also going to start pre-orders on their site

Here is their Pre-order page: https://gumroad.com/l/yeBmO

Oh, now I feel bad. This was PGS's last update:

"
We are leaving but we don't say Goodbye

About 24 days ago, being highly inspired we started fundraising campaign for realization of probably the most ambitious project over the history of portable gaming. It would be a device which is capable to become your smartphone, PC and portable gaming console at once. That device would have potential to reincarnate portable gaming world.

For less than 5 days we collected more than $300.000. Those were very busy days and we got precious experience. With your help we have proven that PGS is highly interesting to people. Despite the raw prototype version, we got nearly 1000 backers from all over the world in our community. Driven by a common idea and vision, we were moving forward together.

The project has made a great social impact: about 1000 articles in the world media, more than 300.000 community members. We are really thankful to everyone who shares our vision of the future.

Unfortunately, such a great impact also attracted the attention of a small group of people who are always trying to spoil others' achievements, to obstruct the progress. We are not much offended, but activity of these people managed to induce suspicion in some part of our community. The detractors were trying hard to convince others that our project is fake and scam and that our only goal is to get money and disappear. At some point even several media resources started believing that it's true.

As a result we were facing the dilemma. In several days the campaign is going to end, we can get the sufficient sum of money for the PGS development, our investment agreements come into force. But.. A lot of people may keep thinking we are a scam project. We were considering various paths and decisions and eventually we've come to the following decision: we are cancelling our Kickstarter campaign. All your pledges will cancel as well. We will get no funds, but that's the price of saving our reputation. Now everyone who still thinks that PGS is a scam, should realize how far it is from truth.

Even though we are cancelling, things are not so bad. Despite the initial agreements with investors that we must finish the campaign, the last meeting ended up with the new agreement according to which our device will be created anyway!

We can say we are not leaving with empty hands. This campaign has made a great impact, increasing our community and indicating the market demand situation. Also, during the campaign we have got hundreds of hints and reviews of our work, which we will use to grow and to make our product better.

Many people would ask: what about achieved stretch goals? All stretch goals, including those which are not achieved yet (except water proof), will be implemented in series devices. Moreover, the Hardcore version will include such features as vibro-modules, NFC, IRDA and FM-radio. Also, as it was mentioned before, the Hardcore version will include active cooling, which will allow keeping constant GPU frequency at 600 MHz. It will add about 50% performance compared to Microsoft Surface 3, for instance (which GPU frequency is 400 MHz in standard conditions).

After the release the device will become available on such stores as Amazon and Gearbest. The price for Hardcore version will start from 360$. This is higher than the Kickstarter price, so to make it fair we are opening the preorder system on pgslab.com Preorder price is 299$. During a month since today you will be able to use a promo code "hardcore". Having entered it on the payment page, you will get an additional discount of 40$ (resulting price would be 259$).

As for the Lite version, its fate is in question. We don't want to cancel it, but also it hasn't gained great popularity in its current state. Perhaps we will revise its conception and pricing in the nearest future.

Everyone who wants to stay tuned, feel free to subscribe to our news feed, you can find the corresponding button in the right upper corner of the pgslab.com

We thank everyone who has trusted and supported us on our way. Thank you so much. We are creating the future together.

Best,

PGS LAB Team

 

[WizardStan]

That... but... wut the wut? This makes even less sense than any previous assertion they've made.
The only difference is that by taking "pre-orders" directly there's not even the thin film of legal protection from kickstarter: he literally can just take the money and run.
To be fair, EvilDragon, by also taking direct pre-orders, is in the same boat, but he's proven himself to be an outstanding captain who has navigated rocky shores before. These guys, you point out the giant iceberg and they're just "that's still several km away, we'll deal with it when we get there"."We have a major investor backing us so even if we hit that iceberg we won't sink".

edit: added better analogy.

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

That... but... wut the wut? This makes even less sense than any previous assertion they've made.
The only difference is that by taking "pre-orders" directly there's not even the thin film of legal protection from kickstarter: he literally can just take the money and run.
To be fair, EvilDragon, by also taking direct pre-orders, is in the same boat, but he's proven himself to be an outstanding captain who has navigated rocky shores before. These guys, you point out the giant iceberg and they're just "that's still several km away, we'll deal with it when we get there"."We have a major investor backing us so even if we hit that iceberg we won't sink".

edit: added better analogy.

Titanic...

 

[vcoleiro1]

This is the weirdest thing i've seen.

This guy backed the Smach Z on KS. And when the shit hit the fan he made this comment in the Smach Z KS comments section:

Matt <I wont show his surname> on June 8
PGS kickstarter coming real soon apparently, let's hope this one actually has something to show unlike the smach z jokers.

.....


Now the PGS kickstarter has hit the fan, I look at the PGS KS comments , and what do I see - why this:

Matt <I wont show his surname> 2 minutes ago
Oh dear.... Can't say I'm surprised...jokers

 

[comradekingu]

Stage 21
The ride never ends

Stay tuned for updates.

 

[levi]

Many people would ask: what about achieved stretch goals? All stretch goals, including those which are not achieved yet (except water proof), will be implemented in series devices. Moreover, the Hardcore version will include such features as vibro-modules, NFC, IRDA and FM-radio.

Hmm, so the PGS is going to include an overclocked AMD chip then?

Also, IrDA? That's a blast from the past for sure. I want a 5.25in floppy drive in mine, please.

 

[EvilDragon]

You know, the PGS KS video has many similarities to the Ouya's KS video. I don't think they had a prototype either BTW - the KS rules were different then though.

I should do a video like that as well.
Starring me, Nikolaus and me...
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To be fair, EvilDragon, by also taking direct pre-orders, is in the same boat, but he's proven himself to be an outstanding captain who has navigated rocky shores before.

Additionally, I've added in clear words on the product preorder page that this is not 100% sure and you should expect to lose that prepayment in case something goes wrong.
Not that I PLAN to not deliver, and as we've already ordered parts for mass production and squished almost every issue we found, the risk hopefully shouldn't be too high, but it could still fail.

I doubt they'll mention that on their preorder page

 

[Yasu]

Here is an interesting hypothesis:

jack about 1 hour ago
Here's my guess: Some or all of the first $100k was their own money via fake backers and funding was dropping to the point that the profits after Kickstarter takes their cut wouldn't be worth it.

 

[iprice]

Not that I PLAN to not deliver, and as we've already ordered parts for mass production and squished almost every issue we found

That's what YOU say... Just kidding - Seriously, just kidding.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next - that ride could be even more eventful/scary (delete as applicabe) for their new backers. Good luck to all of them...

 

[fusion_power]

You know, the PGS KS video has many similarities to the Ouya's KS video. I don't think they had a prototype either BTW - the KS rules were different then though.

Look at Ouya's KS video , the similarities with PGS's include:

1) Some 3rd party reference board seeming as if it's the prototype. Check

2) Guy in a workshop sanding a model of the Ouya as like with the PGS. Check

3) Design drawings of the Ouya shown a lot including a stack pinned on a board - as also happened with PGS's video. Check

4) Guy looking over some supposed workers as they sit at their computers. Check

5) Shots of a Japanese/asian designer. Check

6) Scene with the core team members sitting in a meeting room discussing the design. Check

It's surprising how much effort and professional manpower can went into such an useless and crappy piece of hardware at the end. I mean, these people seems to be talented and skilled, imagine what they could do when inventing an acutlay useful product.
ED has useful products for example but sadly not enough manpower to develop it in reasonable time, the world is unfair.

 

[Xcl4m4t10n]

Did somebody say... GIZMONDO?

 

[Roly-poly man]

Did somebody say... GIZMONDO?

Next up; Nadir and Alec crashing their Lambos in downtown Dagestan.

 

[Klumpen]

We are leaving but we don't say Goodbye
[blablabla]
[pointing fingers]
[no real team shown]
[no engineers]
[no proof of investors]
[opening up direct pre-orders himself]

Bluff called -> folded

 

[lukey]

Hmm... Now their 3rd Party Preorder Page 404's.

 

[Gr8one]

I am completely shocked!, this was not the update I was expecting today.

Did KS put some heat on them and they cancelled to save face?

Selling on their own storefront makes it easier to take money and not deal with skepticism, and there is less opportunity for purchasers to get any contradictory information as they control the message and forums.

Hope to see the PGS in stores some day but wont hold my breath. Hope too many people aren't robbed blind by this shift.

 

[Exophase]

The PGS crew are such a laughing stock at this point. Or maybe it's just Nadir. They seemed to be doing the right thing cancelling the KS, if for the wrong reasons, but they were actually just moving to (what they must have believed was) another funding site where they'd have even less accountability.

Then their page on Gumroad, which they still link to on their site and everything, becomes a 404. Presumably because they got punted due to not having an actual product ready to ship and not having a credible date they can hold to for a pre-order release. It's just embarrassing and once again they look even less competent than they did the day before.

 

[vcoleiro1]

Their pre-order page is back up on a diffferent site.

https://shop.trycelery.com/page/57951724fb13471100ee85c6