Pandora successor name - Final Poll

[slaeshjag]

It is? I'd pronounce Pyrrha completely differently compared to Pyra. Which is good, because "Pyrrha" just makes my skin crawl.

 

[bzar]

If the only connection to the device that the name Pyra has is that the daughter of Pandora was called Pyrrha, then I can't think of any reason to use Pyra instead of Pyrrha, since Pandora was simply Pandora.  I don't like trying to prefer either of those names though.  I wish I had tried to sweet talk in Myridon sooner.

Pyra was derived from Pyrrha because it's easier to read, pronounce (however you choose) and hear correctly. In addition I'd wager the search space for Pyrrha is a lot noisier than Pyra, even if you would probably find what you were looking for given the correct auxiliary key words. Would you argue these reasons are either not important or that they are incorrect?

 

[comradekingu]

http://www.poetaexmachina.net/mp3?text=Pyra+pyra+pyra%0D%0AArma+virumque+cano%2C+Troiae+qui+primus+ab+oris%0D%0AItaliam+fato+profugus+Laviniaque+venit%0D%0Alitora%3A+multum+ille+et+terris+iactatus+et+alto%0D%0Avi+superum%2C+saevae+memorem+Iunonis+ob+iram%2C%0D%0Amulta+quoque+et+bello+passus%2C+dum+conderet+urbem%0D%0Ainferretque+deos+Latio%3B+genus+unde+Latinum%0D%0AAlbanique+patres+atque+altae+moenia+Romae.%0D%0A&meter=lrlrlrlrlrla

http://codewelt.com/project/speak/speak1387201063672.mp3

 

[_wb_]

If the only connection to the device that the name Pyra has is that the daughter of Pandora was called Pyrrha, then I can't think of any reason to use Pyra instead of Pyrrha, since Pandora was simply Pandora.  I don't like trying to prefer either of those names though.  I wish I had tried to sweet talk in Myridon sooner.

Pyra was derived from Pyrrha because it's easier to read, pronounce (however you choose) and hear correctly. In addition I'd wager the search space for Pyrrha is a lot noisier than Pyra, even if you would probably find what you were looking for given the correct auxiliary key words. Would you argue these reasons are either not important or that they are incorrect?

Additionally, when you're talking about spelling, the only "correct" spelling is to write that the daughter of Πανδώρα was called Πύρρα. In English, those names are conventionally transcribed as "Pandora" and "Pyrrha", but other languages follow other conventions and we are free to use yet another transcription if that's what we want. You're not writing Pandora like the Ancient Greeks did (you don't even use the same alphabet), and you don't pronounce it like they did. There is no need to do that, not for Pandora and also not for Pyra.

This is how some other languages conventionally write Pandora: Пандора, ਪੰਡੋਰਾ,پاندورا, პანდორა, 潘多拉, Pandora, Pandore, Pandóra.

This is how some other languages conventionally write Pyrrha:  পাইরা, 皮拉,پورها, ピュラー, Пирра, Пира, Пірра, Pyrra, Pyrrha, Pira, Pyra, Pirra.

 

[Farox]

Someone could explain how pronunce Pyra ?

We should pronunce it "Peera"  (in italian "y" is not used and is pronunced like "i" )

or we should say "Paira" (in english way) ?

 

[Binky]

Is there a difference between

1. pee-rah
2. pih-rah

?

 

[Farox]

Pronunced in english...No

But pronunced in Italian ..Yes

 

[_wb_]

Is there a difference between

• pee-rah
• pih-rah

?

Yes, "Pee" has a long vowel and "pih" has a short one. The vowel is i in both cases, just a different length.


English has a weird phonology / spelling, pronouncing I or Y as "aɪ" (most other languages pronounce I as i and Y as i or y )  and E as i (most other languages pronounce E as e). See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift. I guess that's what happens if you're on an island for too long

If you want to pronounce Πύρρα correctly, you'll have to learn how to pronounce y - the vowel does not exist in English. From the Wikipedia article on upsilon:

In early Greek it was pronounced like English oo [u]. In Classical Greek, it was pronounced like French u or German ü, [y]—a sound that is not found in most dialects of English. This was the case at least until the year 1030AD.[2] In Modern Greek it is pronounced like continental i or English ee, [i], and in diphthongs, [f] or [v]. In ancient Greek, it occurred in both long and short versions, but this distinction has been lost in Modern Greek.

 

[bzar]

Is there a difference between

•  
• pee-rah
• pih-rah

In my mouth, length of the vowel.


EDIT: Ninja'd by _wb_! h34r:

 

[Binky]

^ that's what I was thinking.

So that gives three possible pronunciations:

• pih-rah
• pie-rah
• pee-rah

What about:

• pee-er-ah

Does the emphasis have to be on the first syllable?

 

[comradekingu]

and py-ra

 

[Binky]

and py-ra

but how do you pronounce that?!

There are several ways to pronounce 'y' in English.

 

[comradekingu]

its not english

try to say paira, and then cut the first a from that

 

[Binky]

so pay-er-ah?

or pie-er-ah?

 

[TrashyMG]

3.14159 +

 

[Grench]

3.14159 +

The first piece of Pi and the Egyptian sun god Ra.

Actually - I'd rather have PiRa than Pyra thinking about it.

Pyra still makes me think Pyro which makes me think that the device is going to light itself on fire.

 

[Binky]

Fire also has connotations of speed, power and excitement.

I feel than socially, if not legally, "pi" in the context of computing has been taken by the Rasberry Pi project, and it would be unfair to make references to the Greek letter or the irrational number in Pyra marketing material.

 

[_wb_]

Fire also has connotations of speed, power and excitement.

Don't forget dragons!

^ that's what I was thinking.

So that gives three possible pronunciations:

• pih-rah
• pie-rah
• pee-rah

What about:

• pee-er-ah

Does the emphasis have to be on the first syllable?

In Greek the emphasis was on the first syllable (that's why they put an accent on the upsilon), but that doesn't mean that we have to do that too. The French will probably put the emphasis on the last syllable.

The fourth possible pronunciation (the "correct" one) is pü-rah, but you don't have that vowel in English.

 

[slaeshjag]

Fire also has connotations of speed, power and excitement.

I feel than socially, if not legally, "pi" in the context of computing has been taken by the Rasberry Pi project, and it would be unfair to make references to the Greek letter or the irrational number in Pyra marketing material.

Not to mention, it's so worn out I'd run away from anything referencing "pi".

 

[Saber]

Pyra's pronouciation in English sounds like "peer-uh" according to this. Actually, it's quite pleasant, but the're one or two negatives to using an ambiguous name.