Case Improvements and the keymat

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Cases can be mass produced in 2 weeks at new company, ED said that when moulds were transfered. PCB production will take 6-8 week, refer to first post in this thread where ED has given the current roadmap.

So I am not exactly sure where is the bottleneck ? Are we waiting for PCB to finalize and in meanwhile we are expereimenting with the cases or we are waiting for cases to finalize and during that duration we are testing the PCB and prototypes? or we are waiting for finalizing the software and while it happens we are playing with cases and PCB ?
 

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simple spray glue is normally way faster than peeling the protection film from a sticker off

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/All-3M-Products/~/3M-Super-77-Multipurpose-Spray-Adhesive/
Purely hypothetic, but I would argue that if the costs are comparable, a specialized solution with self-adhesive logos would be less messy for assembly:
1. Repeatability: when spraying by hand, especially a couple hundred logos, there is a possibility of spraying too little or too much, depending on the worker performing the task- time and remaining contents of the can are some factors, as is of course skill (let's face it, there are people who can mess this up).
2. Preparing the work table: if it's tape, the worker just needs a box of logos and lids, and a little space which can be unventilated. For spray he'd need a ventilated workspace, spray cans, some solvent to wipe any accidental drips, and if it's the lids he's going to spray, a screen to protect the rest of the lid (unless he either holds each logo in another hand when spraying, or lays them out and sprays a couple at a time, both which cause varying quality)

Of course, the goal is to have a cost-effective and time-effective solution, rather than simply please the assembly people, and the above is only valid for us if the costs of tape are reasonable (I guess if those were just small spots of two-sided tape, they surely could).
 

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I agree, 5 years is a long time indeed. I'm also watching this progress since the Pandora, but just remember, if you try something like this as a oneman show, it will take several years, no matter what you do or how hard you try.
Unless you partner with a huge company for design and production which will either cost you a fortune, or you're out of the loop for hardware development.
I had a gemini a while ago and sold it, because it just didn't feel finished. The USB support was rushed, linux (what is mainline? :O) support is bad and the keyboard is not anywhere near a Jornada/Nec Mobilepro or other PDA I had, not even to mention a Psion Netbook.
That's why I'm glad Evil Dragon takes his precious time and makes sure there is a minimal number of flaws.
I'm currently busy with some bussiness on my own and it's waaaaay simpler and already took me one full year and is not ready yet (but hopefully soon, probably just two months :D).
 

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Where did this seeming meme "5 years" come from? I was in the very first pre-pre-wishing-it-happens-very-first-pre-order, and that was 3.5 years ago. Back then it was a render and a hypothetical laundry list of features that we wanted to see on an end device. Those of us who did join then all knew that we were in for a long haul with no 'due date'. There were 208 of us in that initial list - likely less now as ED has been gracious enough to process refunds for those who wanted out.

Yes, there were discussions about a hypothetical 'next device' going back 5 years - there were also discussions of the 'next device' in 2008/2009 before the Pandora shipped too.

Lighten up folks. We are getting more progress and reports in the last month than we did in the previous 6. The bits & pieces are starting to meld.
 

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How about a lottery?
Everybody is allowed to say, when he/she thinks the release date is two months ahead (only once).
The one with the best estimate get's his Pyra signed by Evil Dragon :).
 

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Aaand a quick update:

@azouls (he introduced himself in the Pyra Render spectrum thread, he's one of the guys actively working on our moulds now) had another idea to improve the quality have less discolorizations / shrinking marks: By using a machine that heats up the mold as well, the plastic might flow better. So he tried that yesterday - and it improved things a lot!

So another step forward, besides fixing the issues the molds itself might have.

A first set of samples (with different materials) has been shipped to me on Monday, but that doesn't include the improved one with that special machine yet.

So yes, you can see, things are moving a lot faster now than before :)
 

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Aaand a quick update:

@azouls (he introduced himself in the Pyra Render spectrum thread, he's one of the guys actively working on our moulds now) had another idea to improve the quality have less discolorizations / shrinking marks: By using a machine that heats up the mold as well, the plastic might flow better. So he tried that yesterday - and it improved things a lot!

So another step forward, besides fixing the issues the molds itself might have.

A first set of samples (with different materials) has been shipped to me on Monday, but that doesn't include the improved one with that special machine yet.

So yes, you can see, things are moving a lot faster now than before :)
Wow, that would've been like a month of back and forth with the old company. xD
 

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I guess having both plastic and moulds at the same temperature should make plastic flow better.
Any updates on prototye assembly ?
 

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I guess having both plastic and moulds at the same temperature should make plastic flow better.
Any updates on prototye assembly ?
Yes. We might not be able to fix all cosmetical issues, but at least most of them.

About the prototype assembly: According to tracking, the missing parts have arrived today when I wasn't in the office, so I guess they left it with the dentist (which closes Wednesday midday)
So I have to wait until tomorrow until I can grab them and continue :)
 

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I guess having both plastic and moulds at the same temperature should make plastic flow better.
Indeed, but it would also stop the plastic from solidifying :). So temperature will have to be a compromise between reducing flow issues and a sufficient cooldown to make the part survive ejection.
 

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Indeed, but it would also stop the plastic from solidifying :). So temperature will have to be a compromise between reducing flow issues and a sufficient cooldown to make the part survive ejection.
Does forcing the viscous plastic into the mould result in self-heating at all?
 
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