At least I'm not dead


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Craig hat mal wieder einen Blogeintrag gemacht der warscheinlich interresant ist:

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At least I'm not dead.
2009-06-20 21:38:07, posted by craig
Things are always a learning curve the first time you try them. Apart from maybe suicide.

Anyway, the point is the last couple of weeks have had delays caused by a most unexpected event - US Taxes and UPS.

See the thing is we ship the parts to the USA, Dallas to be exact, they put them on a PCB and then all that comes back to the UK. But here is the weird part - UPS keeps wanting us to pay taxes on these parts - even though they are to be re-exported soon after. We have tried the recommended routes 'Temporary export' and 'Controlled goods' but still, randomly, a huge tax bill arrives. It's frustrating stuff which we are having to try to deal with yet UPS keep moving the goal posts.

Now, here is the community involvement part - does anyone out there know the real way to deal with this? The real rules? As UPS just keep changing the story every time.

So is there anyone out there who can shed some light on how we should be doing this to avoid those taxes? An expert on US customs and taxes maybe? You can answer over on the forum.

Aside from this we are very pleased and happy to have chosen to manufacture in the USA rather than China - I hear, alas, that's a pretty rare thing these days.

allerdings kann ich diesen anders als den letzten mit den Akkulaufzeiten nicht übersetzten (zumindest trau ich mir das nicht zu) (9 jahre franz 3 jahre english)

aber irgendwie gehts darum das craig mit den UPS ganz und gar nicht zufrieden war (kann ich verstehen mit denen bin ich einen tag mal mitgefahren der hat gerast wie ne sau und war trotzdem erst um 18 uhr fertig..) :confused:
 
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aber irgendwie gehts darum das craig mit den UPS ganz und gar nicht zufrieden war (kann ich verstehen mit denen bin ich einen tag mal mitgefahren der hat gerast wie ne sau und war trotzdem erst um 18 uhr fertig..) <E>:confused:</E><e>
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Es geht wohl darum, dass UPS für jeden Transport-Weg zwischen England und Amerika (zwecks Zusammenbau) Zoll haben will...<br/>
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Ich erinnere mich dunkel, dass es mal eine Regelung gab mit der dass umgangen werden konnte.<br/>
Allerdings dauert der Transprtweg dann länger...<br/>
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Man konnte Sachen nämlich über Kanada verschicken. Kanada und England sind beide im Commonwealth und nehmen voneinander keine Zölle (ähnlich EU). Da Kanada wohl mit den USA so eine Art Freihandelszone bildet, kostet der Versand USA-Kanada bzw umgekehrt ebenso keinen Zoll...<br/>
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Ob das allerdings alles noch so gilt und wie man das einstielt kann ich nicht mehr sagen.<br/>
Vielleicht hilft´s ja trotzdem...<br/>
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P.S. Lieferwagenfahrer, egal ob DHL, UPS, etc..., sind die ärmsten Schweine. Mit denen sollte man Mitleid haben....</r>
 
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<t>Also es geht wohl sinngemäß darum, dass sie die Sachen durch die USA genauer Dallas nach England schicken. Sie hatten Verzögerungen, wegen einer unerwarteten Sache. UPS verlangt dafür Steuern/Abgaben. Sie hatten versucht das ganze wie vorgeschlagen als temporären Export und kontrollierte Dinge zu deklarieren. Haben dann aber trotzdem eine große Rechnung für Steuern/Abgaben bekommen. Das Ganze ist frustierend, da schon versucht wurde es mit UPS zu klären. Nun ist man auf die Community angewiesen, ob jemand weiss, wie das wirklich gemacht wird, da UPS wohl recht widersprüchlich ist.<br/>
Es wird danach gefragt, ob sich jemand mit den US Steuernbestimmung auskennt. Wenn ja möchte er bitte sein wissen im Forum posten. Außerdem sind sie zufrieden die Fabrik in den USA gewählt zu haben statt in China, was wohl in diesen Zeiten recht selten geworden ist.,<br/>
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So das wäre so eine recht grobe und sinngemäße Übersetzung exakter bekomm ich es jetzt nicht hin.</t>
 
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<r>ich dachte mit UPS gabs damalas dieses Problem:<br/>
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<t>Das kommt irgend wie etwas unerwartet. Und vor allem erst jetzt (??) Man handelt ja sicher vorher alle Lieferbedingungen möglichst verbindlich aus, da müsste UPS ja auch rechtzeitig sagen, wenn extra Kosten entstehen. Ärgerlich.<br/>
Wie machen es denn die großen Firmen? Es wird ja dauernd auf der Welt hin und her geliefert, importiert, exportiert, kurzfristig hin und her. Die zahlen doch sicher nicht alle Riesen Summen, nur weil Bauteile kurzzeitig in einem Land verweilen zwecks zusammenbau etc... Da gibts sicher noch elegante Lösungen, das mit Kanada klingt ja schon ganz OK.<br/>
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Aber das solche Probleme (gefühlt) immer erst in letzter Minute auftauchen...</t>
 
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<r>Hier die "freie" Übersetztung von mir<br/>
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immerhin bin ich nicht tot<br/>
2009-06-20 21:38:07, posted by craig<br/>
dinge haben immer eine lernkurve wenn man sie das erste mal macht. abgesehen von selbstmord, vielleicht <E>;-)</E><br/>
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egal, der springende punkt einiger verzögerungen in den letzten wochen sind durch recht unerwartete ereignisse hervorgerufen worden - US-steuern und UPS.<br/>
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schaut, die sache ist so, wir verschiffen die teile in die USA, dallas um genau zu sein, sie stecken sie auf eine PCB <I><s></s>(was auch immer das ist?)<e></e></I> und dann kommt alles wieder zurück nach england. aber jetzt kommt der seltsamme teil - UPS verlangt von uns steuern auf die teile zu zahlen - selbst (oder obwohl) sie kurze zeit später wieder zurück-exportiert werden. wir versuchten wie uns vorgeschlagen wurde den transport als "vorübergehenden export" und "freiwillige gabe (geschenke)" zu senden aber noch immer kommen wahllos riesige steuerrechnungen. es ist eine frustrierende sache die wir gerade versuchen in den griff zu bekommen, da UPS die zielsetzungen (bedingungen nehm ich mal an) ständig verändert.<br/>
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jetzt ist mal die community gefragt - kennt jemand da draußen den geregelten weg um mit sowas umzugehen? die wahren regel (bei import/export) , da UPS die geschichte jedesmal anders hindreht und sich rausredet.<br/>
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vielleicht ist da ja jemand unter euch der das ganze etwas aufhellen und etwas light hinter die sache bringen kann um mit der sache umgehen zu können und diese steuern meiden zu können? ein experte in US-handel und steuerrecht vielleicht? du/ihr könnt uns über das forum antworten.<br/>
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abgesehen von diesen schwierigkeiten sind wir sehr zufrieden und glücklich den produktionsstandort USA gewählt zu haben und nicht China - leider hört man solche aussagen sehr selten in diesen/er tagen/zeit.<br/>
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Wie das große Firmen machen, weiß ich: Sie haben eigene Abteilungen, die sich um nichts anderes kümmern.
Und auch da bleibt immer mal wieder was hängen - nur bekommt das halt keiner mit und wir hatten ja angekündigt, dass wir Euch ab jetzt immer den aktuellen Status verraten.

Ich habe das selber auch schon erlebt: Von 10 gp2x-Lieferungen über UPS kommen 8 problemlos durch - bei zweien wollten sie auf einmal eine Bestätigung von mir, dass die die Zollabwicklung vornehmen dürfen (die sie ja schon lange hatten).

Zudem habe ich eine Zollnummer, die UPS bekannt ist, so dass das alles ohnehin erspart werden könnte... Wann UPS was macht, habe ich selber auch noch nicht ganz begriffen. Und dass sowas Nerven kostet, wundert mich auch nicht...

In der Regel hält sowas aber nur ein paar Tage auf und läßt sich dann lösen - und gottseidank sind wir mit der Platinenproduktion ja gut im aktuellen Zeitrahmen, das Gehäuse gibt uns da noch zeitlichen Spielraum.
 
EvilDragon said:
Wie das große Firmen machen, weiß ich: Sie haben eigene Abteilungen, die sich um nichts anderes kümmern.
Und auch da bleibt immer mal wieder was hängen - nur bekommt das halt keiner mit und wir hatten ja angekündigt, dass wir Euch ab jetzt immer den aktuellen Status verraten.

Ich habe das selber auch schon erlebt: Von 10 gp2x-Lieferungen über UPS kommen 8 problemlos durch - bei zweien wollten sie auf einmal eine Bestätigung von mir, dass die die Zollabwicklung vornehmen dürfen (die sie ja schon lange hatten).

Zudem habe ich eine Zollnummer, die UPS bekannt ist, so dass das alles ohnehin erspart werden könnte... Wann UPS was macht, habe ich selber auch noch nicht ganz begriffen. Und dass sowas Nerven kostet, wundert mich auch nicht...

In der Regel hält sowas aber nur ein paar Tage auf und läßt sich dann lösen - und gottseidank sind wir mit der Platinenproduktion ja gut im aktuellen Zeitrahmen, das Gehäuse gibt uns da noch zeitlichen Spielraum.

Vielleicht wird es Zeit eine alternative zu suchen?
Ich kenn mich mit internationalem Versand nun absolut nicht aus, aber es gibt doch bestimmt noch andere, die ihr nehmen könnt?
Gab ja schonmal Probleme mit UPS, siehe hier:
morq said:
ich dachte mit UPS gabs damalas dieses Problem:
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Wieviel hatte euch das nochmal gekostet? 1000€?
 
Nein, die gebogenen Boards waren FedEx. Die haben aber damals auch schon mal eine Schachtel mit GP2X First Editions versenkt :D

Habe übrigens weitere Infos:
Lustigerweise ist nur die ZWEITE Sendung von diesem Problem betroffen.
Vor einiger Zeit hatten wir schon die Teile für die ersten 2000 Pandoras versendet - da ging das mit dem Temporären Import wunderbar.
Und die Teile für die zweiten 2000 wurde nun aufgehalten. Gibt nicht wirklich Sinn, aber okay...
 
war fed ex nicht die firma wo tom hanks arbeitet? :lol:
edit um meinen post nicht als sinnlosen spam zu lassen:
denkt immer drann: packete mit der aufschrift "zerbrechlich" werden bei den großen logistik unternehmen nicht wie rohe eier behandelt die kommen nämlich in nürnberg auch ein riesiges band und auf eine große rutsche (ich hab bei meinem einen probetag bei ups mal gesehen wie ein mitarbeiter die lehre packetrutsche runtergerutscht ist :p ) und da wird nicht aufgepasst ob was kaputtgehen kann! schließlich sind dann ja die versender schuld weil sie ihre sachen nicht richtig sichern (wurde mir bei der post gesagt) :confused:
 
matzesu said:
war fed ex nicht die firma wo tom hanks arbeitet? :lol:
Und Bruce Willis, aber frag mich nicht in welchem Film das war^^
 
"cast away, verschollen" tom hanks ist logistiker bei fed ex, und stürzt mit dem flugzeug im mehr ab, dann muss er auf einer einsamen insel überleben was aber nicht schlimm ist weil er ja viele dinge aus den abgestürzten fed ex packeten nutzen kann, später baut er sich ein floß mit der tür eines dixiklos als segel

hey wenn die UPS mit unseren p&|a abstürzt haben die wenigstens was, womit die sich bis zur rettung beschäftigen können.. :p
 
EvilDragon said:
Nein, die gebogenen Boards waren FedEx. Die haben aber damals auch schon mal eine Schachtel mit GP2X First Editions versenkt :D

Habe übrigens weitere Infos:
Lustigerweise ist nur die ZWEITE Sendung von diesem Problem betroffen.
Vor einiger Zeit hatten wir schon die Teile für die ersten 2000 Pandoras versendet - da ging das mit dem Temporären Import wunderbar.
Und die Teile für die zweiten 2000 wurde nun aufgehalten. Gibt nicht wirklich Sinn, aber okay...

Mööö... ich wollte schon schreiben, dass Ihr euch einfach ne andere Logistik Firma sucht, wenn UPS rumzickt. Aber Da FedEx ja "den Bogen raus" hat, fallen die wohl auch flach. Bleibt noch DHL oder wen gibts sonst noch in dem Bereich? Sind ja hoffentlich nicht alles durchgehend unfähige Firmen oder?
 
Ich bin mir jetzt echt nicht sicher ob Zollprobleme und steuerliche Sachen am Transporteur liegen. Wenn ich mich jetzt richtig entsinnen kann, hatte Craig doch auch Probleme mit Steuerzahlungen oder? Auf jeden Fall wäre es echt mal ne gute Idee von den Paketfirmen, oder wie sie sich auch immer schimpfen, ihre "User" mal n bissl besser aufzuklären und nen vernünftigen Support zu leisten - möglicherweise auch n paar "Hints" zu geben um so schlimme Verzögerungen zu vermeiden.

Sollte das bei Craig tatsächlich auch ein steuerliches Problem sein, sollte er vll. den Warenwert auf eine geringere Höhe senken. Ich gehe davon aus, dass die Höhe der Versicherung unabhängig vom Warenwert ist. In Deutschland gibt's diverse Grenzen für Zahlungen (Zoll oder Steuern weiß ich jetzt nicht), warum sollte es die in den USA nicht geben? Allerdings kann man ohne genaue Hintergrundinformationen zu den bisherigen Abläufen eh keine Auskunft einholen oder Hilfestellung geben ...
 
Er muss ja keinen Zoll zahlen wenn die Ware nur verarbeitet und dann wieder exportiert wird. Das Problem ist einfach UPS... die verlangen gerne einfach mal n haufen Kohle fuer Zollabwicklung usw. ohne irgend nen wirklichen Grund dafuer.


Da gabs schon massig Probleme mit im mikrocontroller Forum... falls das jemanden Intressiert, einfach mal dort nach Digikey und Zoll suchen....
 
Steuerprobleme hatte craig eigentlich noch keine.

Und der Warenwert hat auch nichts zu tun - den die Tatsache ist ja, dass es gar nicht verzollt werden muss (also keine Steuern draufkommen), da es sich nur um einen temporären Import in die USA handelt.

Und die erste, identische Lieferung ging anstandslos durch, nur bei der zweiten wird gerade ein wenig rumgezickt.
 
JustMyOpinion said:
ED...Bitte um kurze Antwort auf meine Mail. Danke!

Nicht das ich unhöflich sein will, aber sowas kann aber auch per PN gesagt werden.

Irgendwie scheinen einige Personen dem Projekt Steine in den Weg zu werfen. Wir hoffen doch, dass ihr geländetaugliche Schuhe habt um keine Fußschmerzen von den ganzen Steinen zu bekommen ;)
 
JustMyOpinion said:
ED...Bitte um kurze Antwort auf meine Mail. Danke!

A) Weiß ich nicht mal, wer Du bist ;) Oder schreibst Du unter Deinem Nickname Mails? Oder meintest Du PM?
B) Ich beantworte Mails in der Regel der Reihe nach und komme nunmal nicht dazu, alle immer gleich innerhalb weniger Tage zu beantworten (gebt mir eine Woche!)
C) Ist das kein Grund, einen x-beliebigen Thread zuzuspammen.
 
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