Then one could included with Pyra without driving up the cost much. ^_^
Or at the very least an optional component when ordering.There's a reason Ikea ships them with everything. I must have dozens of the exact same wrench and key.
Including one with every purchase could be interpreted as endorsing everyone to take their case apart.
So could this.
Not really. Proper tool for the job:If we use hex, care should be taken that the head of the screw isn't too deep in. Hex bits in socket sets often have quite a short section of shaft at the narrower width, preventing them fitting down deep recesses.
aren't those tiny Allen wrenches easy to bend?! I mean how big are we talkin here. I've dealt with tiny Allen's and the wrenchs looked like wrought iron after one project!Not really. Proper tool for the job:If we use hex, care should be taken that the head of the screw isn't too deep in. Hex bits in socket sets often have quite a short section of shaft at the narrower width, preventing them fitting down deep recesses.
It's a metal screw held in place by the friction of plastic threads - and you're worried about bending a 1.5mm hex key? We're not driving 4" self tapping deck screws here.aren't those tiny Allen wrenches easy to bend?! I mean how big are we talkin here. I've dealt with tiny Allen's and the wrenchs looked like wrought iron after one project!Not really. Proper tool for the job:If we use hex, care should be taken that the head of the screw isn't too deep in. Hex bits in socket sets often have quite a short section of shaft at the narrower width, preventing them fitting down deep recesses.
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I've dealt with screws that mounted stuff to metal and was torqued down. If these are simple I have no issue with them. Also I feel these would be a bit more presentable. I've seen a lot of expensive stuff showing off the torx or hex screw'sIt's a metal screw held in place by the friction of plastic threads - and you're worried about bending a 1.5mm hex key? We're not driving 4" self tapping deck screws here.aren't those tiny Allen wrenches easy to bend?! I mean how big are we talkin here. I've dealt with tiny Allen's and the wrenchs looked like wrought iron after one project!Not really. Proper tool for the job:If we use hex, care should be taken that the head of the screw isn't too deep in. Hex bits in socket sets often have quite a short section of shaft at the narrower width, preventing them fitting down deep recesses.
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To insert a screw in this situation you would place the screw in the case hole/pocket, turn it backwards until you feel it seat down in the threads then turn it forward until you feel it stop - then stop turning. There isn't a huge amount of torque needed. The big idea with using an 'advanced' fastener is so that there is no reason to push down on or over-torque the socket/threads.
Removal is just as easy, place the hex key into the head/cap of the screw and turn it counter clockwise - no pushing down on the driver required.
Hex is common, but it comes in different sizes. Unlike Phillips, which can fit many sizes at the same time, Hex only fits one size with any specific hex driver.I guess HEX (inbus) is the most common type after Phillips so it would be the best solution for the Pyra imho. Everyone has some Hex Keys at home and even if not, the idea with the matching screw driver in the Pyra Stylus is still around.
I think you're missing the point I'm making. Yes, Phillips is bad. But look at this:
I hate those things. A socket wrench or anything with a real grip is a much more useful tool. If I can use Hex bits in a socket wrench, I will use it every time over a standard allen key.Not really. Proper tool for the job:If we use hex, care should be taken that the head of the screw isn't too deep in. Hex bits in socket sets often have quite a short section of shaft at the narrower width, preventing them fitting down deep recesses.
If you are too lazy/cheap/busy to buy an Allen wrench or the correct driver if using Pozi you probably shouldn't be opening the case.
That's elitist, and honestly, you shouldn't be making the decisions based on that.
The only allen wrenches I have are left over from IKEA sets. And likely, none of those would fit the screws that would need to be used for the Pyra.
You are making no sense here. You support Phillips as the best option, but think that Pozi would be bad. Pozi would allow you to disassemble your device in a non-damaging way, whereas Phillips would not. Using Pozi screws allows you to use 2 kinds of drivers instead of 1; 1 kind of driver that will disassemble the unit in a non-damaging way and 1 kind of driver that will disassemble the unit in a possibly damaging way. That's much better than using just Phillips, which only allows a driver that will disassemble the unit in a possibly damaging way.
In that case, it doesn't matter what screws are used, people can open the case with a rock.
Have you checked your local stores?
I never said Phillips was the best, just cheap, available and people know what it is. I still don't think the risk of using Phillips is so high that a potentially more expensive solution (either for assembly or for the user/owner) needs to be used. Lessons were learned from last time, better plastic and possibly better Phillips screws will prevent the current issues. It is pointless to use Pozi with the expectation that people will use Phillips drivers...just use Phillips screws. If you take away that "benefit" then you might as well go all the way and remove potential confusion by using something that is more common and obvious what it is.
Phillips isn't guaranteed to break your case or screws. A rock is.
No, because the only time I've needed those wrenches, they've been provided. You said "I don't know about other people". I was letting you know that there were "other people" who did not own sets of allen wrenches. I only know one or two people who may own a set. (I'm not sure if they own a set, but they seem likely to)
The point has already been made by WizardStan and others that none of these suggested solutions would be costly or expensive. If the difference is so little, why not use a correct screw?
Compare Pozidriv and Allen prices at your local store and get back to me. Feel free to check Amazon or whatever you prefer if it is easier.
Pozi is more likely to be more expensive for more users. Are we sure there would be no price increase for actual assembly? You can't use Phillips working with Pozidriv screws as a benefit if you aren't expecting it to be used.
