Preorders Have Started. (Previously named starts in two hours)

[_jr_]

You're assuming that they're relative to each other, but you can also do percentages as ratios of a base standard.
Raisin Bran has 2 scoops of raisins as standard. You can then get one box with 1 scoop of raisins and another box with 3 scoops of raisins, or 50% of standard and 150% of standard respectively: it wouldn't be incorrect to say box 2 has 100% more raisins than box 1 (vs standard). Deceptive, yes, but not wrong.
In this case we can can count 1 systemd as standard, or 100% of the systemd, with 2 systemds being 200% and no systemd being 0%: it would not be incorrect to say that, relative to standard, something with systemd has 100% more systemd than something without.

FWIW such reasoning would be incorrect at a math test in school around here. (Because unless the standard is explicitly given the target of the comparison implicitly becomes the standard (making the correct operation a multplication instead of an addition).)

 

[CrystalGamma]

Reminder that systemd is a bad thing...

It's not very good, but it's the best we've got right now AFAIK.
You're free to try and point me to a better system.

 

[bzar]

Reminder that systemd is a bad thing...

That's your opinion, but let's not go there again.

 

[Kiga]

From how I understood it, the led was just to control if the modem is active, it wasn't to disable/enable the modem.

Would like @EvilDragon to clarify it.

an LED is just an indicator light, it controls nothing, It will be good for knowing if it's enabled or not. However I'm fairly certain it WILL be turned on and off by a software controlled GPIO.

I meant for the user to control visually. How a software controlled GPIO is secure?

 

[LoopStar]

We should abandon it then.

Nah... not yet... let's have a poll!

 

[meandu229]

Are the pre-orders going to stay up for the forseeable future. I dont think I can pre-order til payday (25th).
Any ideas when the 1st people may start receiving or is it in 2 months (tm)

 

[Ted]

Are the pre-orders going to stay up for the forseeable future. I dont think I can pre-order til payday (25th).
Any ideas when the 1st people may start receiving or is it in 2 months (tm)

As there are preparation for media campaigns, I assume you could place order till May 25th.

Sent from my SHIELD Tablet using Tapatalk

 

[TrashyMG]

I meant for the user to control visually. How a software controlled GPIO is secure?

I'll bite on this,
The chances of anyone exploiting the GPIO is very unlikely, some random attacker would need to know you are using a Pyra and extremely specific details of hardware and how set this GPIO in the software. The Pyra is one of the rarest handhelds on the market and some random stranger knowing any of these details are unlikely.
The so called attacker would need to have access to your network, with dynamic and ever changing network addresses. If the modem is off, there is no access, if you are on WIFI, your router and the network you are on is already compromised. This is assuming that there is a hole that would allow ssh access or other means to set this value. Most likely remote SSH access could be restricted on the cell modem device by default.

So if all this happens and somehow you are compromised, there is an LED indicating that the modem is on, it's wired in line to the power to the modem, there is no way of software controlling it to hide the fact that it's really on when you think it's off.

 

[rygD]

I was finally able to get my transaction to go. I had to call up my bank's customer service and then they had to contact the fraud team, and finally everything worked out. I am pretty excited for this!

Did you go for the standard or 4G one?

x=0, therefore y=2x=2*0=0=x. Neither Pyra nor smartphones have systemd.

Edit: Just having fun here, too.

Mine won't have systemd at least sometimes. I am probably going to try out Slackware, Gentoo, and FreeBSD on my Pyra shortly after receiving it, and probably some others later.

Well there goes my joke completely, also a systemd hater would argue it wasn't a "smart" phone anymore.

Yeah, it isn't smart anymore...
I am not sure if the joke is on me or not now.

Then it is the perfect device for a systemd hater (i.e. they prefer to do stuff by hand and seem to hate smart solutions).

I think you may not understand the reasons people dislike systemd. Some of them are because of the things you seem to think systemd does better. I am not getting into this again. Back to the jokes.

I wonder how many pre-pre-orderers still haven't pre-ordered.

Well, jokes in a bit I guess. I haven't. Not sure when I will. Probably eventually.

Well I pre-ordered, but not on my pre-pre-order, so now I need a good cause to send someone a Pyra.

I spent an hour or two trying to track down a dog that got out without a collar yesterday.

Spoiler: The rest of the story

It ran into traffic on a major road during morning rush hour. I kept an eye on it while it ran thorough neighborhoods for a couple miles, but unfortunately lost track of it as it made it to an intersection with another major road. I tried to stay of private property (except a church and a store), and asked people that were outside if they had seen it and where it went, but there were to many cars at the intersection. Eventually, before I gave up I heard some people honking further up the road (in the direction the dog had been moving from where I first saw it) and since that was the direction I was headed I got back in my car, waited 5 minutes for traffic to allow me to get back on the road, then slowly drove while looking for it. I dropped the car off at my house, grabbed dog treats, and searched the roads and parking lots in my area, but never saw it. Hopefully it made it to one of the veterinarians in the area and got returned home, as it had made it a long way and seemed scared and thirsty.

Did I win a Pyra?

This is where it gets interesting and the community needs to focus on getting the word out in an attempt to entice the hard customers, ie new customers not part of this community and who have not heard of the Pyra (ie not part of the pent up demand which we are chewing through fast)

The funny thing is while trying to help that dog I was thinking I should also be advertising and telling people about the Pyra. Unfortunately the people in this area are retirees, poor people, and broke ass college kids at a religious (Christian) university.

The people that might be interested can't afford it, and those that can afford it probably don't have the interest (or eyesight).

 

[Kiga]

I'll bite on this,
The chances of anyone exploiting the GPIO is very unlikely, some random attacker would need to know you are using a Pyra and extremely specific details of hardware and how set this GPIO in the software. The Pyra is one of the rarest handhelds on the market and some random stranger knowing any of these details are unlikely.
The so called attacker would need to have access to your network, with dynamic and ever changing network addresses. If the modem is off, there is no access, if you are on WIFI, your router and the network you are on is already compromised. This is assuming that there is a hole that would allow ssh access or other means to set this value. Most likely remote SSH access could be restricted on the cell modem device by default.

So if all this happens and somehow you are compromised, there is an LED indicating that the modem is on, it's wired in line to the power to the modem, there is no way of software controlling it to hide the fact that it's really on when you think it's off.

If ED kept it, that means you will always have a LED on, draining power especially if you want to use it like a phone and it will especially affect the standby time. Plus it can be an annoying LED when you watch the sceen expecially in the dark. Hardware switch would have been great, I bet I would love them so much that I'd keep playing with it, a real on/off button which really shut down things like an old crt tv on/off button (without the noise).
A GPIO is better than nothing, hopeully there is one on wifi too.

 

[TrashyMG]

If ED kept it, that means you will always have a LED on, draining power especially if you want to use it like a phone and it will especially affect the standby time.

The LED would only be on when the Modem was enabled, an LED draws very little power, the modem however would draw considerable more, it makes more sense to just turn off the Cell modem.

 

[Kiga]

The LED would only be on when the Modem was enabled, an LED draws very little power, the modem however would draw considerable more, it makes more sense to just turn off the Cell modem.

That's why I said "especially if you want to use it as a phone" because you won't turn it off, but if the LED power consumption is really negligible, then fine. Even in standby if it's negligile compared to modem (or RAM or cpu idle), the standby time will not be affected.

 

[Djoga'Ro]

Plus it can be an annoying LED when you watch the sceen expecially in the dark.

Second that. Still wouldn't want to lose it - would be nice, if there was a trimmer potentiometer on the PCB to be able to set it't luminance to something between useless and annoying, which will be highly subjective. But it's too late for that, I guess?

 

[levi]

Just upgraded my pre-pre-order to a preorder - think I'm number 544 or 545 to do that (though my place in the build queue is already guaranteed by the pre-preorder). Looks like we're already got more preorders in the 6th 24-hour period than the fifth - it was at 525 overnight, and it's at 20 more than that already, beating the 18 it gained on the previous day. I guess some of the early publicity is starting to pay off!

FWiW, my order did finish with a 'we've noticed something went wrong' message, but it seems to still show up in my history as payment accepted, so I assume actually it's all worked out. I guess because I block various scripts, my bank can't work out a reliable way of asking me identity questions, so it never has - I just have to click the okay button a few times. Maybe that gave an unexpected result?

Has ED given a more recent update on the number of pre-preorderers with unused vouchers by the way? I guessed I wasn't the only one to wait this long, but wonder how many others there are.

 

[Faust]

I'm still waiting to figure out the bad side of having 4 Gb ram compared to 2 GB, as soon as I know I will buy the 4G one

 

[levi]

The only downside I know of is that it consumes more power. I didn't see the need for it, so put my money towards a 2GB EU unit, but if you're happy with slightly reduced battery life feel free to go for a 4GB unit.

 

[rygD]

It also has a higher price.

 

[levi]

Good point, that's one of the main reasons I went to a 2GB unit; so I can save that 30EUR or thereabouts for an upcoming new ARM CPU board. Hopefully it will be dual-channel, but even if it isn't I can at least provide test results about what single-channel memory can do.

 

[Xcl4m4t10n]

 

[vcoleiro1]

So the sixth 24 hours of pre-orders is now up.

It seems we got :

350 Pre-orders the first 24 hours (350)
79 Pre-orders in the second 24 hours. (429)
49 Pre-orders in the third 24 hours (478) (Some double up Pre-orders were removed though)
29 Pre-orders in the fourth 24 hours (507)
18 Pre-orders in the fifth 24 hours (525)
26 Pre-orders in the sixth 24 hours (551)