PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[iprice]

but you'll notice we go off topic quite a bit, so that was mostly sarcastic .

Sarcasm. The lowest form of wit, but often the funniest!

 

[FlapJack]

Sarcasm is the lowest form (of wit)? What about knock-knock jokes? Here, let me try:


PGS Team: "Knock-knock."

Internet Forum member: "Who's there?"

PGS Team: "the PGS Team"

Internet Forum member: "the PGS Team WHO?"

PGS Team member: "The PGS Team is.....Meet our product designer & community manager, Alan Williams. He is NOT Kostas Valov, the actor. Also, meet Lola Kochetkova who is NOT a ballerina in the Bolshoi and who is not the daughter of a Russian mob/crime boss."

Internet Forum member: "What?"

PGS Team: "No more questions! Today we are happy to start following a good tradition - once a month we will provide a brief summary of news, sharing with you our ideas and plans for future development!"
[doublepost=1472515972,1472515653][/doublepost]Okay, maybe that had some sarcasm in it as well. I am so looooow....

 

[FBnil]

FlapJack, like so you mean?


PGS Team: "Knock-knock."

Internet Forum member: "Who's there?"

PGS Team: "the Palindrome Gist-word Society"

Internet Forum member: "Aha!"


gist (jĭst) noun.

• The central idea; the essence. See Synonyms at substance.
• Law The grounds for action in a suit.

See also: knonk (palindrome knock sound)

 

[FlapJack]

Ha ha ha...what? That's confusing as heck, but it might be funny if somebody can explain the humor to me sometime.

Keep at it FBnil. You'll master this yet.

 

[rygD]

but it might be funny if somebody can explain the humor to me sometime.

In Mad Love Harley taught us that complicated things that require a lot of thinking are funny, but Mr. J told us that we can't explain it. The result of this combination is things that are hilarious to the person saying/doing it, but they are either not understood or seem to be very bad jokes to others. It is better to laugh alone. That also keeps those around you on edge, which gives you more to laugh about!

(Even my family still doesn't understand my jokes. When I do explain, upon request, they insist it isn't funny. They are wrong.)

 

[FlapJack]

In Mad Love Harley taught us that complicated things that require a lot of thinking are funny, but Mr. J told us that we can't explain it. The result of this combination is things that are hilarious to the person saying/doing it, but they are either not understood or seem to be very bad jokes to others. It is better to laugh alone. That also keeps those around you on edge, which gives you more to laugh about!

(Even my family still doesn't understand my jokes. When I do explain, upon request, they insist it isn't funny. They are wrong.)

I think that I understand your explanation. I crack myself up on occasion, and sometimes I do feel like I'm the only one laughing. I mutter under my breath that I'm surrounded by idiots and morons...and that helps me feel better about my jokes falling upon deaf ears. I'm not the Riddler nor the Joker. I'm jest a simple man and a fan of the world's best handheld computer in the world.

This place makes me feel better. I'm a super nerd without any powers. I'm home.

 

[AnimatedFreak]

So now PGS Labs is holding a poll as if the light version of their console should have a keyboard or a second screen. http://www.123contactform.com/form-2173972/PGS-Lite-Poll-1 Personally I would like a keyboard but personally I would like the Pyra

 

[MJPIA]

We have had many concerns regarding the PGS Lite version from the very beginning of our project, since our community's choice is mostly the Hardcore version. On the other hand, some people would still prefer the Light version due to its compact size. We'd like to make it even more attractive to our users, thus we've got a potentially useful idea to replace the second screen with the physical keyboard. The consequent advantages are reduced power consumption, illuminated keyboard, reduced cost. But first we'd like to ask your opinion. So please express your preferences in the poll, and we will post results afterwards.

P two rows down on the other side of the up arrow?
/Screams internally
Well at least they are being creative I guess cause I don't think I've seen that type of layout before.
I could've sworn both were the same dimensions but I guess not unless they changed it at some point.
[doublepost=1472916839,1472916752][/doublepost]Wait I just noticed, there's no backspace key.

 

[EvilDragon]

You need to press Fn for Enter? That's something new
And Backspace is for losers. Real men don't make spelling mistakes

 

[rygD]

That is a pretty crazy layout.

I am a loser and fake man.

I guess I am off to vote.

 

[MJPIA]

Vote early and vote often cause there is nothing limiting how many times you can vote.
Bit of a random question, that keyboard if it was made I'm pretty sure would be a custom part used only in a pretty low production run device.
Would a custom made backlight keyboard really be cheaper than some lcd screen churned out by some company by the thousands used in multiple devices?

 

[WizardStan]

Why... did they put arrow buttons on the keyboard? There's a d-pad literally right there on the left. That's four keys that are strictly duplicated and could have been saved.
Shift is an Fn on Alt? How are you supposed to press alt-shift combos? People are going to have problems typing upper case letters. And why are '!', '@', etc... on Fn keys and not left as shift-1, shift-2, etc...?
It's one thing to rearrange punctuation or other "special" keys when you don't have the room, but come on, 1-9 and 0 as an Fn key? And moving the 'P' all the way down there? They couldn't have made the keys 1/9th thinner to get rows of 10?
Like, I know we get into big arguments about keyboards here, but there's just so much obvious waste here I can't begin to figure out how it could have passed any sort of approval.
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Would a custom made backlight keyboard really be cheaper than some lcd screen churned out by some company by the thousands used in multiple devices?

Honestly, absolutely nothing about this project is based in reality, so sure, why not? It can be cheaper if you just believe it is.

 

[EvilDragon]

Why... did they put arrow buttons on the keyboard? There's a d-pad literally right there on the left. That's four keys that are strictly duplicated and could have been saved.

That's the same thing I've been asking myself about the GPD Win and am still asking after I received the prototype

 

[ptitSeb]

Yes, same here.
If only they had mapped DPad to cursor and ABXY to some keyboards key, in "Mouse" mode, that would have solved the issue when a game wants keyboards to play.

 

[AnimatedFreak]

Yeah I didn't even look that closely at the layout. It seams like a last minute thrown together layout and hopefully they will update it. Pretty bad thing to even show-off thou.

 

[EvilDragon]

Yes, same here.
If only they had mapped DPad to cursor and ABXY to some keyboards key, in "Mouse" mode, that would have solved the issue when a game wants keyboards to play.

Well, on the GPD Win it's because they simply included a Joypad controller - so they couldn't use it for the cursor keys.

But instead of the hardware switch, something like Joy2Key with different profiles (and the switch changes between the profiles) built-in would make more sense, as then you could configure it the way you want.
Then it would be possible to use the DPad as either joystick or cursor keys while also having the sticks for mouse movements or change the sticks to analog mode while keeping the cursor keys on the DPad, etc.

 

[rygD]

I am not trying to say the Pandora team was better (but the Pyra team obviously is ), but not everyone looks at things the same way, and PGS and GPD may feel that having keyboard keys on the gamepad is inferior. I am in favor of it on a handheld since it gives more space in the keyboard area for keys, but I kinda get it. It may be helpful for those that are slow to adapt mentally to new things, as it more closely resembles a desktop keyboard. That mostly applies to the Win, I guess, as I have no clue whatthe person/people making the PGS keyboard layout where thinking/smoking/drinking. I am still having a hard time figuring out who the PGS keyboard was made for. I still voted for keyboard instead of a second screen, but I prefer the ancient way of having physical controls, especially on a device that has a selling point of adding physical controls (but this just proves I am old, I guess).

I know ED and others may not like it, but I would rather have more competitors in the gaming palmtop market. Pyra wins for me for being designed for Linux and being more open and libre, but also for the things ED added (modular design, sustainability, and trying to be generally more responsible, which all are lesser concerns of mine, but ED at least makes an effort). I won't be switching over to another company's products unless ED moves away from things like this, as he has been loyal to the community, and that says A LOT to me, so I will be loyal to him, but I would like to have other options in case I need to look elsewhere for future devices. As much as it pains me to say it, PGS is closer to what I would be looking for than the Win since it is designed with smartphone functionality in mind. Now it just needs to materialize and not implode.

Tangents, sorry...

 

[AnimatedFreak]

I fixed it for them

 

[levi]

Much better

 

[Caine]

Why... did they put arrow buttons on the keyboard? There's a d-pad literally right there on the left. That's four keys that are strictly duplicated and could have been saved.

First thing I noticed as well. It's just ... weird.

Shift is an Fn on Alt? How are you supposed to press alt-shift combos? People are going to have problems typing upper case letters. And why are '!', '@', etc... on Fn keys and not left as shift-1, shift-2, etc...?

People have complained quite a bit here about the number of keyboard threads the Pyra has spawned.
This layout clearly highlights how much all that effort was worth it.