PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor

[MechaBouncer]

Here's a small list of the dubious accounts I've found so far, just look at join date, backings and comments:

BB
Kenneth
Devin Robertson
Gabe Valadez
wormskull
Kagekiyo
丁超毅(chuck ding)
MOHAMED ALSAADI
Ricardo Navarro Bueno
Maverick
Hamz' Ch'Pas
Antonio Ruggiero Arcangelo
Richard Heslin

Unsure:
Chokun Teacha (maybe he tried a bit harder than the others)
Samson Chiu (look at the other backing )

Edit: Here's Nadir's call to arms from the July 14, 2016, 17:59 again:
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http://madfanboy.com/forum/sobirayu-miniatyurnogo-monstra-t60624-180.html&edit-text=

I'm pretty confident about BB. Even if he's not, he's definitely a troll. He's just attacking anyone that says anything negative.

I'm glad that Erosquare and elefas have brought up halting this Kickstarter and going with their "investor". If the terms were legit and they were waiting for interest, then they have demonstrated that. However, because they continue to ignore this and instead are bringing on more people to "fight fire with fire", I highly doubt that these investors exist at this point. This would be a lot funnier if it wasn't so sad.

EDIT: This just in:

PGS LAB Creator 3 minutes ago
Dear backers, we'd like you to understand one thing, in case someone haven't known yet.
The Kickstarter prototype is not necessary to be based on a custom PCB. Currently it would be really stupid to spend time and other resources for designing the custom PCB in order to just create one prototype for Kickstarter, which is later to be redesigned in any way (since new features may be added). The final PCB design will correspond to the final set of features/specs.

It's an obvious truth.

The withdrawal of pledges is in fact not because we have not enough complex prototype (it is more complex than those of our competitors on crowdfunding stage), but due to some people keep trolling in the comments confusing others. We wonder how people can keep blaming the project they don't like day after day.

We thank all our trustful backers who remain with us despite all provocations. We are creating the future together. We will not let you down.

*headdesk*

 

[Exophase]

He never hid that the protoype wasn't made of his own parts. It was always written that it uses a Voyo 3 and an IPega Controller.
He didn't hide anything here. He could've made iit clearer, but he didn't hide it.

He also always said that the next prototype will be more advanced but still use third party PCBs.

He never said they'll have a full custom made protoype at the end of the campaign.

I'm not really sure why you and vcoleiro are writing this, I haven't seen anyone posting here who isn't aware of this fact. They have afterall been saying themselves that they wouldn't be showing anything more than cannibalized part prototypes, but even if they didn't we all know there's no way they'd be able to do that much work in so little time.

When people are looking at the videos and trying to figure out what the setup is we're not arguing about whether or not they have their own PCB inside it, just what density of electronics in small form factors they are or aren't achieving. This might seem irrelevant but it at least says a tiny bit about what capabilities they're demonstrating, even if it doesn't say nearly enough.

 

[Chip]

there's a third party that they believe will support them under terms that they haven't actually agreed to, or that they're also being taken for a ride by these alleged investors (although I can't for the life of me see how that'd work out for them)

Easy enough.

PGS: We want to make this super-powerful handheld and sell it for an impossibly low price!
Shady "Investor": What a great idea! Tell you what, you go ahead and raise as much money as you can on kickstarter, and I'll make up the difference.
PGS: Yay!

(30 days later, KS campaign ends)

PGS: We made $300k on kickstarter!
Shady "Investor": Great job, kid. Just wire me the money and we'll start production.
PGS: Here you go!
Shady "Investor": Thanks for the cash, sucker.
PGS: Hey, where'd he go? Um...

 

[Exophase]

Easy enough.

PGS: We want to make this super-powerful handheld and sell it for an impossibly low price!
Shady "Investor": What a great idea! Tell you what, you go ahead and raise as much money as you can on kickstarter, and I'll make up the difference.
PGS: Yay!

(30 days later, KS campaign ends)

PGS: We made $300k on kickstarter!
Shady "Investor": Great job, kid. Just wire me the money and we'll start production.
PGS: Here you go!
Shady "Investor": Thanks for the cash, sucker.
PGS: Hey, where'd he go? Um...

Yeah, I was actually just thinking that something like this could be happening, although it'd put these people in a much different expected role than simply "investors"

 

[Klumpen]

PGS LAB Creator about 2 hours ago
@zav1977
Hardcore версия будет комплектоваться тремя версиями модемов. В сумме - полная поддержка всех распространенных сетей. Перед отправкой вознаграждений бекерам - мы уточним предпочтительный тип поддерживаемых сетей.

translation:

PGS LAB Creator about 2 hours ago
@zav1977
Hardcore version will be equipped with three versions of modems. In sum - Full support for all common networks. Before sending Becker rewards - we will specify the preferred type of supported networks.

 

[Alperoot]

Dear backers, we'd like you to understand one thing, in case someone haven't known yet.
The Kickstarter prototype is not necessary to be based on a custom PCB. Currently it would be really stupid to spend time and other resources for designing the custom PCB in order to just create one prototype for Kickstarter, which is later to be redesigned in any way (since new features may be added). The final PCB design will correspond to the final set of features/specs.

Apparently, building a prototype to fund the project is a stupid idea.

 

[Exophase]

Apparently, building a prototype to fund the project is a stupid idea.

It's all spoken like people who have never had the slightest acquaintance with the development process of a complex piece of electronics.

They shouldn't be going to Kickstarter with a very variable design to begin with. How can they promise a very aggressive schedule and very aggressive price with the design being so much in flux? Those are the things they should be worried about, not having to respin the PCB.

 

[EvilDragon]

Well, Kickstarter allows funding a development for a prototype, so they could've done that. But then you can't use the final units as reward.

They probably didn't do this as it would be A LOT harder getting cash for that.

 

[PowerGod]

Well, Kickstarter allows funding a development for a prototype, so they could've done that. But then you can't use the final units as reward.

They probably didn't do this as it would be A LOT harder getting cash for that.

so... they lied

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

Its clearly a trainwreck at this point- I'm assuming as others have said kickstarter will shut this campaign down close to the end. It would be in its best interests to shut it down as leaving it run would only tarnish kickstarters reputation as a viable and secure place for backers to place their money. Closing it down is good for their long term business, probably.

 

[rygD]

so... they lied

Nah, they just use their own definitions of key words instead of those that everyone else uses. If you check the legend on their homemade map it is all honest and perfectly sensible.
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It would be in its best interests to shut it down as leaving it run would only tarnish kickstarters reputation as a viable and secure place for backers to place their money.

They may not care, as long as they get their cut. This is small compared to some of the other things that have been done on KS, and there is always the chance that even those that do everything exactly by the book are going to take the money and run (or screw up on something, and watch as the funds evaporate). It is just as likely that this could be the campaign that shows that KS is truly there to help the little guy make his dreams come true. While many of us think it will be impossible for them to deliver, maybe this team/guy really does have the connections and ability to make it happen (and throw in the color e-ink screen they already announced as an option).

 

[Neelix]

While many of us think it will be impossible for them to deliver, maybe this team/guy really does have the connections and ability to make it happen (and throw in the color e-ink screen they already announced as an option).

Maybe they do, but if so it won't be on time or on budget, then they'll be scrambling to find a way to make up their losses... and may well fold, possibly before completing delivery... oh wait... why does this sound familiar?

-Neelix

 

[Exophase]

Nah, they just use their own definitions of key words instead of those that everyone else uses. If you check the legend on their homemade map it is all honest and perfectly sensible.

Yeah, like how in Nadir's bio it says he developed wireless technologies as a senior engineer working for DagGAU. While in his LinkedIn DagGAU is listed as the university he went to.

For most people "working as a senior engineer" means you've earned a senior title after years of established employment as an engineer. For Nadir I guess it means studying engineering during your senior year.

Then again, his profile says he studied Informatics, not engineering. And he's the only person on LinkedIn who lists this university. Near as I can tell it could be a spelling for Dagestan Agricultural University.. better known as Dagestan Agricultural Academy.. better known as DGSHA, another place Nadir says he worked. But that all seems like quite a stretch.

But his education is at least distinguished - on his Xing profile (another LinkedIn like site) he says "According to the test results, I'm the best student of the University." (later test results showed he's also the only student of the University)

 

[Klumpen]

 

[rygD]

Maybe they do, but if so it won't be on time or on budget, then they'll be scrambling to find a way to make up their losses... and may well fold, possibly before completing delivery... oh wait... why does this sound familiar?

-Neelix

Maybe they wan't to do something good for the world. Perhaps they actually want to give these things away, but their investor will only allow them to lose so much money on this. I have nothing for the time thing, though. Maybe the PGS is also a time machine.

Yeah, like how in Nadir's bio it says he developed wireless technologies as a senior engineer working for DagGAU. While in his LinkedIn DagGAU is listed as the university he went to.

For most people "working as a senior engineer" means you've earned a senior title after years of established employment as an engineer. For Nadir I guess it means studying engineering during your senior year.

Then again, his profile says he studied Informatics, not engineering. And he's the only person on LinkedIn who lists this university. Near as I can tell it could be a spelling for Dagestan Agricultural University.. better known as Dagestan Agricultural Academy.. better known as DGSHA, another place Nadir says he worked. But that all seems like quite a stretch.

But his education is at least distinguished - on his Xing profile (another LinkedIn like site) he says "According to the test results, I'm the best student of the University." (later test results showed he's also the only student of the University)

Maybe he took some wireless networking classes during his senior year, and helped work on the school's network. As for everything else, someone had to found all universities/schools, and therefore they also had to have a first student.

Please don't mistake anything I said in this post as sincere or serious.

 

[Exophase]

Oh man, I can't believe their latest defensive tactic. People in the comments started accusing them of not getting any work done so they responded.. by listing the hundreds of tech journalists they e-mailed to promote their campaign.

Only demonstrating that:

1) Like true marketing types they care a lot more publicity than accomplishing anything and
2) That the vast majority of the media, who are normally not at all shy about reporting on fluff, is as skeptical of this device as we are

I could see promotion being the number one priority if they hadn't already cleared their funding goal with a huge safety margin. But they did so that shouldn't even be worth a small amount of their energy. Especially since - according to them - their alleged investors will take of everything once their campaign is successful.

I guess this is just doing their daily work of saying something to try to inspire backer confidence that instead backfires because it reveals more of how badly they're handling everything.

 

[vcoleiro1]

Well as I posted earlier . This is from when Nadir got some kind of grant to study OS

"The second future student foreign university - Nadir Mursalov. He is a student of several faculties and DGSKHA MSTU. His specialty and type of activity - IT-technology. Two years ago, Nader founded media studio called "3Media". Now it is growing, the waste structure with several dozen specialists. The studio has been programming and the creation of animated commercials, including social orientation. Nadir has to be not only a good specialist, but also properly manage the team, all the while doing their studies.

He graduated from a number of online courses in IT in several directions. Well, actually, three-month course in Moscow at the Bauman Technical University. It has several victories in the IT-tenders and competitions at the regional level, I have received the Autodesk certified, most of 3D packages.Nader is the only inhabitant of the country, managed to obtain certification by correctly answering all questions in 1000, 200 in the discipline.

Literally in the first year, while first-year student DGSKHA, I made several proposals on the modernization of the IT Academy and was appointed director of the Center for Innovative Technology. Finding support and approval of the Rector, just six months personally created and implemented the project, gave the Academy a wireless LAN and WiFi Internet bilinguemuyu area within a radius of three kilometers from the Academy itself. Another project planned to start - is to create a multi-level, independent system of computer courses, including advanced levels of PC ownership and application programs. Also in its development - the three-dimensional anatomical, veterinary atlas, which is, in fact, technological training tool. In addition, even Nadir is also a teacher in the high school."



Edit: I have removed the Linked in material, as we have now identified that it was false. ie Nadir doesn't have accounts with different names

 

[comradekingu]

Man, i thought we were done for today.

Stage 19
Statistics, damned lies, and the PGS campaign.

 

[vcoleiro1]

By the way, I know one of the tech journalists in the list PGS published. He was contacted by them,. He told them that he would not write about their campaign until they had a real prototype. He believes it to be Pie in the Sky material.

 

[comradekingu]

http://moidagestan.ru/news/society/9515 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http://moidagestan.ru/news/society/9515&edit-text=

About Nadirs academic career.
Also found a 2014 ad where he was hiring a webdev.
https://new.vk.com/topic-34747780_28226612?offset=120

"skype+Lachesis 3D" and "cooler3d@gmail.com" returns a lot of hits