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which is also one of the reasons for having a separate cpu board: you wouldn't want to whole mainboard to be forced to use such a stackup!

gosh yeah! aside from the upgrade advantage - that could make for one expensive main board just to have an array of key pads on one side!
 
How many layers did each of the three boards wind up being?
 
So bar a few details mass production is imminent. Hope it runs smoothly. If I can get my hands on a pyra by July or august ill be happy. But ill wait regardless.
 
In fact @EvilDragon, Why the hell didn't you finished the Pyra 5 years ago? Damn you!

In fact, If the Pyra was released back in 2015 as scheduled, the sales figures at the moment should be around 7000-8000 sold units, with new CPU board and accessories already in development.

At this point It will be pretty difficult to sell a dual core A15 equipped device, in the middle of 2017.
(Personally I am fine with this SoC, but it will be the first thing pointed by any potential new customers)

It is good for the project to have some criticism and close to reality comments, in order the development to be speeded up.
Cheerful - hearts and roses comments like yours, are not helping at all.
 
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In fact, If the Pyra was released back in 2015 as scheduled
There never was a scheduled release date or even a tentative release date.

It is good for the project to have some criticism and close to reality comments, in order the development to be speeded up.
Cheerful - hearts and roses comments like yours, are not helping at all.
Criticism sure it's good, but relentlessly dumping on a project ran by essentially two people in their spare time isn't helping one bit either.
 
Okay, lets say If it was scheduled for 2015... or Aimed for 2015 release...

Anyway,
We are all aware about the the manpower behind the Pyra since the beginning,
there is no need to remind this every single time :)

Cheers.
 
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didn't you finished the Pyra 5 years ago?
Then why don't you finish the time machine to send them back to 2015?

Also: less swearing man... words can uplift but also break down.
 
Oh, oops. Wow those boards cost a lot more than anything I've ever had to deal with. I'm not used to PCBs costing more than a couple dollars.
I don't get it either.

Afaik set-up is less than ~ USD 50 per layer in china, so 500 USD max. Plus ~ USD 100 for e-test adapter. And production is less than USD1 per layer for 1/2euro card (80x100), standard design rules, standard production time, if you fill the production panel. For other design rules (like uVias) the price ~doubles, so I'd say it should be no more than USD 10 per board, if production panel is filled and regular production time is OK.
(Note: This is extrapolated from my experience and may not be fully accurate since I never actually ordered TEN layers)

On the other hand, I would never suggest switching manufacturer between prototyping and first production run, if the price is okayish, because .
 
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And for everyone who don't want to see any critical questions on an project with more than one year delay and just praise anything regardless what:

So far I did not see anyone that fit that description in this thread. I think it is mainly a matter of perspective. But exaggerating in any direction don't help.
 
m@t, it is impossible for anything to be "delayed" if it has never had a set release date. you keep harping on it being delayed. IT IS NOT. it will be ready when its ready and that is when ED is satisfied he has done the best he can with the resources he has available.
 
Why should anyone buy an already old device?
Because despite its age, it might still be the best solution available.
Every potential customer will have his individual set of criteria that has to be met more or less by any device he buys. The age of a device doesn't change these criteria.

What might change over time are:
1. Your criteria: With time you may have new wishes or others disappear. But that's hardly the device's fault.

2. The market: There may be a point where an alternative to the delayed device might appear on the market, that suits smaller or bigger parts of the potential customers better than the original device. (I think in case of the Pyra the GPD Win is such an example.) In that case there are two options:
a. If you belong to this part of the customers, then just get the other device instead of the original one. In that case the delay even works in your favour, because you won't pay for two devices and will still get the better one (according to your criteria).
b. If you don't belong to that part of customers whose criteria can easily be fulfilled by another device, then the delay might be frustrating, but it doesn't affect your choice on whether you'll buy the device or not, because without better alternatives even an old device that fits your criteria is still the best you can get.

I will have my pyra anyway, but i don't think i am the average consumer of such a device.
I still have to see a definition of "the average consumer of such a device" before I can make sense out of a sentence like that.
And even then I'm pretty sure that I'm not an "average consumer", because I don't care for the gaming aspect. Yet, I pre-ordered a Pyra. So my personal guess would be, that it doesn't really matter if you're an "average consumer of such a device".
 
And for everyone who don't want to see any critical questions on an project with more than one year delay and just praise anything regardless what: You harm the whole project, not me!
It's not that we (at least I) don't want to see critical questions. It's that your questions seem to ignore the "stuff happens" aspect of any development project. Generally any product is released when it's ready or it's released unfinished. We want to see this thing released as soon as possible too, but "asking critical questions" that are not constructive help no one.

As for "just praising regardless what", we are just glad to see this project moving on and overcoming hurdles. Few if any of us have any idea how many obstacles there are in designing and preparing production for such a product. Any step forward is good and is celebrated because it's one step less ahead and one more small victory for the team making the Pyra. We commend the effort, skill and perserverance required for the step, not how it compares to any self-defined wishful schedule we might have.
 
Well, i just asked a critical question. Maybe there is a very good reason, maybe not.
I have much understanding for EvilDragon. But that's not the point.
Why should anyone buy an already old device? Not many will buy it if the development takes longer and longer and longer and longer...
I will have my pyra anyway, but i don't think i am the average consumer of such a device.

And for everyone who don't want to see any critical questions on an project with more than one year delay and just praise anything regardless what: You harm the whole project, not me!

@EvilDragon: Is everything ordered now?

I still use my Pandora everyday. I don't care how old something is I am just concerned with utility.
 
Why should anyone buy an already old device?

Because they don't see modernity as the be-all and end-all of consumer electronics.

Some people, myself included, see important merits in the Pyra's design and software environment that are lacking in other products.
Other don't. Those people are welcome to buy some other device instead. Or no device at all.

It's better that people buy some other device that meets their needs, than buy a Pyra if it doesn't.
 
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