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Letalis Sonus

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I think English is a poor choice for an international language, because its rules are inconsistent.
It is still a pretty simple language that is quite easy to learn. Many languages are an absolute nightmare - weird counting systems and cases that split up into more than just "one" and "more than one", insanely large amounts of tenses or even (grammatical!) genders, pronunciations that are so finely nuanced that you can't hear the difference between about 7 words with a completely different meaning...

I mean, just take German as an example. If you didn't grew up with it, chances are pretty high that you'll never fully figure out how to gender your nouns in your lifetime - while it hardly matters at all in the English language.
 

levi

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It's not Mandarin. Mandarin has a lot of speakers, but it's a poor international language because people outside of Asia are unlikely to know Mandarin. English on the other hand is known worldwide and for many countries it's the best language to know there right after those countries' native languages.

As for Chinese, that's not even a language.
Lots of people's universes are so small that they only ever need to learn Mandarin Chinese. It's not an international language in any real sense of course, but I'd contend it's still a universal language for that reason.

As for Chinese not being a language, the chinese people I met in Beijing who could speak english seemed to think it was, and didn't even seem to know that Cantonese was spoken in Hong Kong. They called their language Chinese.
 

FBnil

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Language also shapes the way you think. I think the Mayans had 4 binary states: Yes Absolutely, Yes Maybe, Maybe Not and No absolutely.
To convey an idea unambiguously, to order a machine to do things... well, Lojban is the best language so far.
 

RZR

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Naja, unterhalten wir uns halt in unseren Muttersprachen weiter.
Lucky me I have 2 native languages...

Bueno, entonces si quieres empezamos cada uno a hablar nuestro propio idioma a ver quien es el chulo que se entera. Y no, no me vengas con putas mariconadas como el Google Translate por que entonces estamos en las mismas. Además Google es una empresa americana, lo cual significaría que estás usando tecnología Americana lo cual es un signo de apoderación gringa y pisoteo cultural, ¿no? Entiendo que como Indio lo sientas así pero, ¡sorpresa! El mundo no se acaba en India. Y como en todo, o te subes al carro y lo asumes o te quedas en la estocada solo y muriendo.
Da f*ck?

Veña non me fodas, ¿e agora teño que aguantar ó panchito este a falar en guachindango? Non lles chega con foder a marrana subtitulando no pseudoespañol que chaman latino... Agora tamén dalles por evanxelizar.

Venga no me jodas, ¿y ahora yo tengo que aguantar al panchito este hablando en guachindango? No les llega con joder la marrana subtitulando en el pseudoespañol que llaman latino... Ahora también les dá por evangelizar.

What the f*ck, and now I have to put up with this "panchito" (spanish slang for latin american) speaking "guachindango" (spanish slang for latin spanish)? Not only they dare to subtitle in the pseudospanish they call latino but now they also have to evangelize.

Pick your flavour.
 

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Greinilega og án spurningar, er íslenzka það bezta tungumálið til þess að móðga aðra á netinu. Sjá:

Clearly and without question, is Icelandic the best language for insulting others on the internet. Behold:


„Ólánsmaður ertu, París, manna fríðastur sýnum, en hleypur sem galinn eftir hverri konu og ginnir þær. Eg vildi óska, að þú hefðir aldrei verið kvennýtur, og hefðir dáið ókvæntur. Þess vildi eg óska, og það hefði verið þér miklu betra, en að hafa á þér spott og fyrirlitning annarra manna. Hinir hárprúðu Akkear, sem gera sér í hug, að þú munir vera hraustasti maður til forgöngu, er þú ert svo fríður yfirlits, munu víst hlæja dátt, þegar engi reynist kjarkur í þér, og ekkert þrek. Eða varst þú það, ragmenni þitt, sem réðst til þín örugga fylgdarmenn, sigldir um haf á haffærum skipum, fórst á fund útlendra manna, og namst í burtu fríða konu, venzlaða hraustum hermönnum, til að verða föður þínum og borginni og allri þjóðinni til tjóns, óvinum til fagnaðar, en sjálfum þér til niðurlægingar og svívirðu? Viltu ekki bíða eftir Menelási, ástvini Aresar? Þá muntu komast að raun um, hvað manni það er, sem átti þá ungu konu, er þú hefir nú tekið. Það hygg eg, að þá muni ekki hörpuslátturinn stoða þig, og ekki ástgjafir Afrodítu, hárið og fríðleikurinn, þegar þú værir að veltast í moldinni. Væru Trójumenn ekki svo huglausir, sem þeir eru, mundir þú fyrir löngu kominn í grjótstakk fyrir slysin, sem af þér hafa hlotizt“.

"A sorry wretch are you, Paris, prettiest in looks of men, but who runs mad after every woman and beguiles them. I would wish that you had never been of use to women and had died unmarried. That would I wish, and had been much better for you, than to suffer the jeers and scorn of other men. Those well-coifed Akkeans, that assume you to be the most vigourous of men, as you are so pretty of appearance, will surely laugh raucously when there proves no daring in you, and no stamina. Or were you he, vile coward, which gathered to you trusty companions, sailed the sea on seaworthy ships, came upon a gathering of outland men and snatched away a pretty woman, kin to vigourous warriors, to cause your father, city and whole nation calamity, the cheering of enemies but to yourself humilation and scandal? Don't you want to await Menelaus, beloved of Ares? Then will you approach the truth of what it means to the man that owned that young woman that you have now taken. That think I, that then will not the lyre-chiming help you, nor the fond gifts of Aphrodite, the hair and beauty, when you would tumble in the mud. Were Trojans not so lacking of courage as they are, would you long ago have come into a tomb, because of the disaster you caused.

Virðing sé til þess er þekkir textann.

May respect be given to he who recognises the text.

;-)
 

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Greinilega og án spurningar, er íslenzka það bezta tungumálið til þess að móðga aðra á netinu. Sjá:

Clearly and without question, is Icelandic the best language for insulting others on the internet. Behold:


„Ólánsmaður ertu, París, manna fríðastur sýnum, en hleypur sem galinn eftir hverri konu og ginnir þær. Eg vildi óska, að þú hefðir aldrei verið kvennýtur, og hefðir dáið ókvæntur. Þess vildi eg óska, og það hefði verið þér miklu betra, en að hafa á þér spott og fyrirlitning annarra manna. Hinir hárprúðu Akkear, sem gera sér í hug, að þú munir vera hraustasti maður til forgöngu, er þú ert svo fríður yfirlits, munu víst hlæja dátt, þegar engi reynist kjarkur í þér, og ekkert þrek. Eða varst þú það, ragmenni þitt, sem réðst til þín örugga fylgdarmenn, sigldir um haf á haffærum skipum, fórst á fund útlendra manna, og namst í burtu fríða konu, venzlaða hraustum hermönnum, til að verða föður þínum og borginni og allri þjóðinni til tjóns, óvinum til fagnaðar, en sjálfum þér til niðurlægingar og svívirðu? Viltu ekki bíða eftir Menelási, ástvini Aresar? Þá muntu komast að raun um, hvað manni það er, sem átti þá ungu konu, er þú hefir nú tekið. Það hygg eg, að þá muni ekki hörpuslátturinn stoða þig, og ekki ástgjafir Afrodítu, hárið og fríðleikurinn, þegar þú værir að veltast í moldinni. Væru Trójumenn ekki svo huglausir, sem þeir eru, mundir þú fyrir löngu kominn í grjótstakk fyrir slysin, sem af þér hafa hlotizt“.

"A sorry wretch are you, Paris, prettiest in looks of men, but who runs mad after every woman and beguiles them. I would wish that you had never been of use to women and had died unmarried. That would I wish, and had been much better for you, than to suffer the jeers and scorn of other men. Those well-coifed Akkeans, that assume you to be the most vigourous of men, as you are so pretty of appearance, will surely laugh raucously when there proves no daring in you, and no stamina. Or were you he, vile coward, which gathered to you trusty companions, sailed the sea on seaworthy ships, came upon a gathering of outland men and snatched away a pretty woman, kin to vigourous warriors, to cause your father, city and whole nation calamity, the cheering of enemies but to yourself humilation and scandal? Don't you want to await Menelaus, beloved of Ares? Then will you approach the truth of what it means to the man that owned that young woman that you have now taken. That think I, that then will not the lyre-chiming help you, nor the fond gifts of Aphrodite, the hair and beauty, when you would tumble in the mud. Were Trojans not so lacking of courage as they are, would you long ago have come into a tomb, because of the disaster you caused.

Virðing sé til þess er þekkir textann.

May respect be given to he who recognises the text.

;-)
google translate absolutely ruins this passage...
 

Djoga'Ro

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i would have preferred a fifth: pure maybe (neither yes nor no). a fifth element, as it were. the most ambivalent and apathetic maybe.
Ain't that covered by "I don't know" or, if you need it to be more absolute, "It can't be known"?
 

Haraldur

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Looks like a machine-translated Icelandic rendition of Homer's Iliad. That English version is the 2nd generation machine translation. GIGO.
It is, in fact, a translation of the Iliad into Icelandic made in 1855 (which can be found here: https://rafbokavefur.is/rafbaekur/ilionskvida-homer/ ), so the language in it is rather old-fashioned, and includes direct translations of Greek epithets; though not so much in that paragraph: elsewhere Achilles is often called "hinn goðumlíki Akkiles", meaning "Achilles like the gods" or "godlike Achilles", while I have not seen the word "goðumlíkur" anywhere else. The English translation is my own.
 

JDTAY

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I feel like English is a great second language for everybody, but nobody should actually learn it as a first language.

Unfortunately, it is already too late for me. I'm stuck with English brain. :(
 
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