Well, in my layout frequently used symbols can be freely duplicate mapped under meta without losing compatibility with the base layoutEven though the symbols are compressed over to the right edge like they usually are on a full size keyboard, I don't understand how requiring the user to press two keys(Shift and Fn) together for ~ { } | _ + : " ? is not intolerable to some of you. That's abhorrent as how I've seen it done so far in some of these layouts.
Language compatibility should be OK for German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian.I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
I had tab on L2 first but thought it be nicer to have the Fn pair with shift consistent. I tried to make the key positions resemble my big US keyboard as much as possible but on that I have the +, -, _ and = next to the numbers and I can't get that to fit without moving some F keys down a row.Maybe move Backslash and Pipe to J which allows you to slide the other pairs in that row one key to the right. Not a fan though of where comma and period are hidden or Tab but it is manageable. Two keyboard Meta's is a nice touch.I'll leave this minimalistic US lay-out here to see what people think about it.
Plenty of room for private binds / mappings I'd say.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/41f99bfc92a39d632638cfd53d8ca3d3
Here is a variant of the above, with the "international" stuff removed:I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
Maybe you could jetison the Ñ(that was on the N key) and use this spot for something of more importance, since { } and [ ] are too far inward for comfort?Here is a variant of the above, with the "international" stuff removed:I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/27697161ab9c09c859c34e84d018e246
Other than that, it is exactly the same. Everything would do the same, it would just not be labeled.
I personally prefer to have the labels for üäößéèàçñ (and € °) printed, even if I don't really need them myself. But according to the big comparison table (columns J and K), it would be slightly better without those labels, mostly because comradekingu and _jr_ really don't like extra labels.
I would suggest to print the üäößéèàçñ€° in a small font, so it does not add too much visual clutter. Still I think it's useful to have them labeled, so you don't need a manual to find out where those letters/symbols are.
Advanced users can remap stuff themselves, tweak everything to exactly how they want it, and type blindly so they don't care about the labels. The labels printed on the keymat should not aim to maximize æsthetics for advanced users, but it should aim to be "good enough" for "almost everyone", without needing custom remappings.
Maybe you could jetison the Ñ(that was on the N key) and use this spot for something of more importance, since { } and [ ] are too far inward for comfort?Here is a variant of the above, with the "international" stuff removed:I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/27697161ab9c09c859c34e84d018e246
Other than that, it is exactly the same. Everything would do the same, it would just not be labeled.
I personally prefer to have the labels for üäößéèàçñ (and € °) printed, even if I don't really need them myself. But according to the big comparison table (columns J and K), it would be slightly better without those labels, mostly because comradekingu and _jr_ really don't like extra labels.
I would suggest to print the üäößéèàçñ€° in a small font, so it does not add too much visual clutter. Still I think it's useful to have them labeled, so you don't need a manual to find out where those letters/symbols are.
Advanced users can remap stuff themselves, tweak everything to exactly how they want it, and type blindly so they don't care about the labels. The labels printed on the keymat should not aim to maximize æsthetics for advanced users, but it should aim to be "good enough" for "almost everyone", without needing custom remappings.
Yes, that's much better.Maybe you could jetison the Ñ(that was on the N key) and use this spot for something of more importance, since { } and [ ] are too far inward for comfort?Here is a variant of the above, with the "international" stuff removed:I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/27697161ab9c09c859c34e84d018e246
Other than that, it is exactly the same. Everything would do the same, it would just not be labeled.
I personally prefer to have the labels for üäößéèàçñ (and € °) printed, even if I don't really need them myself. But according to the big comparison table (columns J and K), it would be slightly better without those labels, mostly because comradekingu and _jr_ really don't like extra labels.
I would suggest to print the üäößéèàçñ€° in a small font, so it does not add too much visual clutter. Still I think it's useful to have them labeled, so you don't need a manual to find out where those letters/symbols are.
Advanced users can remap stuff themselves, tweak everything to exactly how they want it, and type blindly so they don't care about the labels. The labels printed on the keymat should not aim to maximize æsthetics for advanced users, but it should aim to be "good enough" for "almost everyone", without needing custom remappings.
Like this? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b27512781b9633d89b088d83f3648b6f
I disagree. One of my biggest issues with the Pandora keyboard is having to search for relatively common symbols that aren't anywhere near where I expect them to be.A mental map for a full sized keyboard is almost entirely irrelevant to something completely different that you use with (mainly) two thumbs rather than (almost) ten fingers...
There's no point in mapping "unseen" Dosbox compatibility pairings... Dosbox will map the corresponding symbols there anyway. The entire problem is that they *are* unseen there but are seen elsewhere, and the visible versions of those symbols don't work in that context.Give some of these symbols their unseen DOSBox compatibility pairings
How am i then able to touch-type on a pandora? I didnt learn that on a pandora, i brought that along with me.A mental map for a full sized keyboard is almost entirely irrelevant to something completely different that you use with (mainly) two thumbs rather than (almost) ten fingers...
Having keys visually easily distinguishable from each other makes keys very much easier to find and makes learning very much faster, enabling a different mental map to be established without difficulty
Additionally its clear layout caters to a wide range of languages without inconveniencing too much the major languages, which is a fair and usable compromise.
There's a good reason why ,< .> ' " do not have Meta labels in my proposals: I propose to let them be dead diacritics in a rather mnemonical way:Yes, that's much better.Maybe you could jetison the Ñ(that was on the N key) and use this spot for something of more importance, since { } and [ ] are too far inward for comfort?Here is a variant of the above, with the "international" stuff removed:I really like http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/59b8d3798a51d7b42872963c7cba7071
Its so clear I could instantly see all the symbols - so "mental mappings" are irrelevant.
Its a shame a very vocal minority will slap this down so they can run some 30+ year old software conveniently....
Have you double checked for language compatibility, how does it do?
Really nice clear layout, well done!
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/27697161ab9c09c859c34e84d018e246
Other than that, it is exactly the same. Everything would do the same, it would just not be labeled.
I personally prefer to have the labels for üäößéèàçñ (and € °) printed, even if I don't really need them myself. But according to the big comparison table (columns J and K), it would be slightly better without those labels, mostly because comradekingu and _jr_ really don't like extra labels.
I would suggest to print the üäößéèàçñ€° in a small font, so it does not add too much visual clutter. Still I think it's useful to have them labeled, so you don't need a manual to find out where those letters/symbols are.
Advanced users can remap stuff themselves, tweak everything to exactly how they want it, and type blindly so they don't care about the labels. The labels printed on the keymat should not aim to maximize æsthetics for advanced users, but it should aim to be "good enough" for "almost everyone", without needing custom remappings.
Like this? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b27512781b9633d89b088d83f3648b6f
Possibly migrate ; and : to Meta + , and . so ' and " can be on the right(like B-Zar has them). Give some of these symbols their unseen DOSBox compatibility pairings, and add in that Super Meta key I was talking about to the left side where Meta is now(move Shift to where single and double quotes was and carry regular Meta to the left corner for good use). Then we can load up WERT, ASDF, and ZXCF if we must with locale letters and vowels. Borrow my Print Screen, Pause/Break, Scroll Lock idea if you'd like to put on Backspace. Whatever you think helps.
Although I'd rather we duplicate these "elsewhere" keys ~ { } | _ + : " ? before, since DOSBox will do this automatically, as it's done at Shift + Fn on the Pandora: http://pandorawiki.org/DOSBox#Keyboard, it doesn't matter when it happens in the chain.There's no point in mapping "unseen" Dosbox compatibility pairings... Dosbox will map the corresponding symbols there anyway. The entire problem is that they *are* unseen there but are seen elsewhere, and the visible versions of those symbols don't work in that context.Give some of these symbols their unseen DOSBox compatibility pairings
- Neelix
In your today layout we wouldn't, but it's so people won't need to press Shift and Fn together plus another key.What would you need a "Super Meta" key for?