My last info was that you arend infectious when you got the Vacine,
Then I'd like to read your last info. Do you have sources ? Last week Phlyra said he had read something about it, I read some news piece not very well written about some Oxford study on asymptomatic infection, but I couldn't find the source.
Some months ago that was not clear, and in general not tested in the trials (except some studies).
When they test the vaccines they give it to some tens of thousands, give a placebo to some other tens of thousands, trying to make both groups as comparable as possible, and then tell everyone to come when they have symptoms.
If they tell of symptoms they test them (with PCR or something) and count how many got COVID-19 who had placebo and how many who had vaccine. Since fewer got symptoms with the vaccine they conclude that the vaccine prevents symptoms.
But that does not count the asymptomatic infections, and we know that unvaccinated people with asymptomatic COVID-19 can spread it.
So we didn't know whether COVID-19 vaccines only prevent symptoms, turning vaccinated people into asymptomatic spreaders, or they also prevent asymptomatic infection and spread. Both would be possible, and none is going to be 100% efficient,
so most likely there'll be a different efficacy for each option.
It's difficult to prove whether vaccinated people can spread the disease or not, because people have many contacts with other people and once you find an infection you don't generally know who came it from, and so you don't know if that infecting person was or wasn't vaccinated.
Yet, there may be observational studies or even now in the UK they've started human challenge trials. So maybe now that is known, but I haven't found sources yet.
it wouldnt make sense otherwise, as the Vacine tells your Body how to defeat the Virus, so even if you got the Virus, its dont have the changse to get spread because your body kills it
That's like saying it doesn't make sense to worry about criminals because we have police.
It would make sense otherwise. If vaccines don't stop spread but prevent that the vaccinated people get bad enough to have to be in hospital or die, that's already making a lot of sense.
And there seems to be good evidence that that is the case. This also means that vaccinated people leave more beds free in hospitals for unvaccinated people or other diseases.
That's enough to offer vaccines.
If vaccines also prevent contagion, then much the better.
But if vaccinated people think they're unvulnerable and can't give other people a deathly disease, and therefore quit prevention measures, then that would be much worse.
I wouldn't be surprised that the virus can spread and mutate much easily wihth 100% people vaccinated and taking 0 prevention than with 0% vaccinated but maximal prevention.
We should aim for everybody who wants being vaccinated and everybody taking preventive measures. And then we wait until the pandemic is undetectable, to be sure.
At least when enough got vacined, this should be hopefully the End of the Pandemic..
I hope you're right, but I fear you're not. I don't know for sure.
Partly because maybe the vaccines don't stop infection. Maybe not even natural immunity (the one you get after surviving the disease) doesn't stop infection.
If it is enough to have survivable or even mild disease, then once everybody is vaccinated it shouldn't matter, if ever the pandemic is there but it's not killing or disabling people, and it's just like a cold, then that'd be good.
But the virus can maybe mutate faster than we can vaccinate everyone.
And I don't know how long the vaccine protection lasts. Pfizer is already saying that people may need a refresh vaccination every year.
If that's so then can we vaccinate the world population in one year ?
They seem to be producing more vaccines this quarter than last quarter, but I wonder how long that acceleration can last. I doubt there'll be time to vaccinate everyone before the virus mutates, or the first one require revaccination.
I cant imagen that i have to wear a Mask the Rest of my live...
It isn't that bad. It also stops flu and other nasties.
But in any case, scientists especulate that vaccines or not vaccines in maybe 10 years or whatever people will have died or survived the virus and even if they are not invulnerable, the effects of the disease might become less.
In a decade or two, with or without vaccines, it could become another flu, or something.
So it's not all your life, with or without vaccines, unless some other disease comes.
But how many people die and suffer before that is still important. It may not be an extinction event, but it's still a bloody shit.
So I got my vaccine but to go into the office I still have to get a test. What a stupid situation...
No. It's not stupid. You can still get the virus and spread it or be ill. You only got one dose and it takes some time for your immune system to build up defenses.
And later it's still not 100% sure you'll be protected. And it's going to be less % sure that you won't spread it. So it's better to be tested.
The world is not binary.
We don't trust your covid status you have to get it from our preferred supplier.
Well, this I find stupid. Provider shouldn't matter. But I don't understand that health care systems can be private. I once health in Canada it is prohibited to offer private medicine, and thought it's good policy.
