Colorful week

[ible]

@Grench and the other RAM enthusiasts: 2GB is probably as much as anyone needs. but it helps sales that we have a 4GB option (since that is the RAM of a close competitor...), even if 99% of the people ordering it won't use more than half of it. yelling at people for wasting RAM isn't going to help them buy a Pyra . why don't we leave it at that and walk away? i said, walk away...

in all seriousness, the keyboard layout should be fixed for the next 10 years or more, since ED's modular design shouldn't require updating the main case for a while. the CPU board is what will change, hopefully.

 

[Swordfish II]

Here we go with the "browse how I say" stuff again. Some of us like having many tabs, as they are more convenient. That is why tabs are present in so many browsers now.

And, yes, sometimes you do need multiple references at once. As for Twitter and email, some people like replying quickly.

Right I bet you browse like that on your phone *eyeroll*

 

[Neelix]

Right I bet you browse like that on your phone *eyeroll*

Browsing on the Pyra should be a much close experience to browsing on a desktop than browsing on a phone, so how one would browse on their phone is less relevant than you might think.

-Neelix

 

[tigerroast]

I wanna blue one.
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I'm pretty thick skinned though and found the above 'bashing' amusing.

Good.

I still think you're the type to pour the milk first.

 

[erico]

Right I bet you browse like that on your phone *eyeroll*

I browse like that on my note 2. seriously.

 

[blazing_grey]

I browse like that on my note 2. seriously.

Did you know that in Chrome for Android when you exceed 99 open tabs it replaces the count with a emoji? Because it does, and my wife's phone has been like this since the second day she owned it.

Some people like a lot of tabs.

 

[mius]

@Swordfish II:

Or do them one at a time, or two at a time because I doubt you are actually using them each constantly

I have to, given this machine is supposed to work as a swiss army knife for a travelling reporter-to-be. My particular workflow calls for an ultramobile multitask solution, and the Pyra's feature set is the closest match so far. This is the reason I gravitate towards it in the first place, instead of a smartphone, like a lot of my colleagues would. And as that comes with some drawbacks, i.e. some missing features reporters expect from their ultramobile tools these days, e.g. a built-in quickshot camera that works well in adverse weather conditions, I take everything I can get that makes sense technically, in the now and the foreseeable future, to make up for the (perceived) deficiencies.

You Ramjammerer can still buy the technically correct versions for maximum teeth and chest hair growth, or attempting Windows CE emulation.

 

[WizardStan]

Right I bet you browse like that on your phone *eyeroll*

Yes, actually. I don't think this is even the most tabs I've ever had open.

 

[vcoleiro1]

Even my wife has many tabs open on her phone, it seems to be a common thing. Probably the worst argument I've heard so far

 

[Kev2442]

Waiting for the Pyra : on my old Samsung Wave II (still stock firmware, never upgraded to Bada 2) I can't do more than 5 tabs. And I can't open some documents (images, PDFs...) because they don't fit in RAM.

 

[rygD]

Right I bet you browse like that on your phone *eyeroll*

18 tabs at present on this one. Nearly 30 on the other one I use regularly.

 

[FBnil]

A few more months more or less is still little in comparison

I agree mostly with your post, but the *ahem* competitor could use it to lure in customers... so it could be crucial. I rather have nicer conversations. The last pages felt like an axiety-fest.

2GB is probably as much as anyone needs. but it helps sales that we have a 4GB option (since that is the RAM of a close competitor...),

amen. The undecided will compare those things.

Browsing on the Pyra should be a much close experience to browsing on a desktop than browsing on a phone

You can enable gestures in Firefox/Iceweasel for a similar feel. From zigzagging a page with your finger/stylus in order to autotranslate, as well as moving through tabs and such, while retaining all hotkey combinations. can be fun...
of couse, most will not need more than Y/X (PgUp/PgDn)

 

[pyrat]

I agree mostly with your post, but the *ahem* competitor could use it to lure in customers...

Well, I haven't followed that competitor out of my disinterest with proprietary software.
But I guess any sales lost to proprietary competitors are bad financially in the short run but good overall since it helps keep a more coherent community
that either works together with more common goals or at least has less diverse expectations.
The competitor won't help reach volume that makes things cheaper, but i may help avoiding frustrated users in the forums complaining of how come
(proprietary, x86, resource-hungry) game X does not work on the Pyra.This lack of frustration can help future sales. Or it can help diverting resources to satisfy diverse needs. Or at least it isn't so far fetched an hypothesis, I hope.
This can get too snobbish too easy, so don't get me wrong. I'd like a freedom preserving device like the Pyra or better to have milions of customers and
sale very cheap, but we live in the world we live, and many people pay in data, future options etc. instead of money, so carving a niche at a side of the market
is already good.
In this sense it is good to have a competition that is different enough. The volume you lose is the (relative) coherence you gain.

 

[ible]

The competitor won't help reach volume that makes things cheaper, but i may help avoiding frustrated users in the forums complaining of how come
(proprietary, x86, resource-hungry) game X does not work on the Pyra.

that will be an issue for the competitor, too, unless they are screen-casting or whatever it's called (which is cheating IMO). maybe people will be even more upset and see the fine state of software over on the Pyra side? (well, it may take a while to get there...)

 

[rv6502-2]

Not needing to swap is the only reason I can think of. Which'd need some pretty data hungry games and apps to take more than 2GB by itself. I remember the original ARM chips had a limitation that one process could only run code from a limited amount of memory, I think 64MB if my maths is right.

In terms of how much memory the CPU could access while still running above 30fps (within 33.3ms) if we exclude the cache? yes, that's about right.

 

[Swordfish II]

18 tabs at present on this one. Nearly 30 on the other one I use regularly.

Apparently I am in the minority on this one. I think my max tabs ever was 5, I mean after like 4 they are hard to switch between on the Pandora, and I tend to not read them all anyway.

I wouldn't even remember all I had open at 18-30

 

[linx]

As a matter of fact, I've already pre-ordered both units. A Pyra and the you know who "competitor". Since I come from a Zaurus line of devices I'm rooting for the Pyra but I was always under the impression that I can change OS on that said "competitor". You know something I don't?

 

[TrashyMG]

As a matter of fact, I've already pre-ordered both units. A Pyra and the you know who "competitor". Since I come from a Zaurus line of devices I'm rooting for the Pyra but I was always under the impression that I can change OS on that said "competitor". You know something I don't?

Generally it can be difficult to get Linux on Bay Trail or Cherry Trail devices, but that's mostly due to the lack of support from the device manufacturer, not on anything related to the Intel SoC. The ease of installing Linux on the GPD WIN will be determined by GPD themselves. It may be in a state where it can boot linux, but some peripherals like the keyboard, analogs, sound, bluetooth won't work because proper kernel modules need to be made or device tree setup etc.

EDIT: In time even without GPD's support it may eventually get proper Linux support, but out of the gate I doubt it unless GPD initiates it themselves.

 

[rygD]

Apparently I am in the minority on this one. I think my max tabs ever was 5, I mean after like 4 they are hard to switch between on the Pandora, and I tend to not read them all anyway.

I wouldn't even remember all I had open at 18-30

On the Pandora I can't get more than a few tabs.

Just to give you an idea of what the current tabs are, I have my usual stuff open in a bunch (so forums, blogs, and other stuff I check regularly).

I also have an article, and a handful of tabs related to some other stuff I have been researching and discussing for a week or two (some of the content of these tabs changes as I learn and read more, while some are mostly static and are used to compare differences in images). I just closed 3 or 4 related to early phases of that research since I remember enough and now have hard copies on hand to reference.

Some of them are fun stuff, as I was looking into some music a little while ago, although I killed all but one of those tabs. The one I left up serves as a reminder to make someone else listen to it, possibly share here, and check out some more.

The last few are related to other art and hobbies, and again, mostly serve as references. Usually there is a lot more science and technology stuff (and there was earlier). Since I can't treat a smartphone like a normal computer, or things start crashing (and multitasking really sucks), I have to limit what I have open.

I would like to browse on my Pyra more like I do on a full size computer, not like I do on a smartphone.

 

[TheOldOne]

Generally it can be difficult to get Linux on Bay Trail or Cherry Trail devices, but that's mostly due to the lack of support from the device manufacturer, not on anything related to the Intel SoC. The ease of installing Linux on the GPD WIN will be determined by GPD themselves. It may be in a state where it can boot linux, but some peripherals like the keyboard, analogs, sound, bluetooth won't work because proper kernel modules need to be made or device tree setup etc.

EDIT: In time even without GPD's support it may eventually get proper Linux support, but out of the gate I doubt it unless GPD initiates it themselves.

I have a Foxcon Bay Trail based micro PC (model nT-iBT29) I'm using as a small Linux server and it works great with mageia 4 but had trouble with mageia 5 when I tried to update.