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[Cyclops]

It is ironic the way these two are marketed. It seems backwards to me.

The GPx2 is marketed as a movie player which would be better with a widescreen to match movies but instead has a 4:3.

The XGP has a widescreen but doesn't need that for games and could be 4:3 for emus/games.

No one said it was supposed to make any sense though.

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I agree, but its the chosen chips, which seem to help this distinction. 2D for movies. 3D for games. I just don't thing there will be a lot of games of any kind in 3D. Of course I will be put out If I only get a port of Duke3D on the GPX2 instead of Duke3DGL on the XGP, (and Decent,Doom.Shadow Warrior etc etc) Thats the only thing thats bugging me.

 

[look]

People really need to think about what THEY want to do on the next GP device they buy.

For me. It has to be....

1) Play my favorite 8-16bit emulated games at full speed with full sound and savestates

2) Play media (MP3 and movies)

The sole reason I've kept interest in the GP32 is that we've been getting closer to this holy grail mentioned in point 1

The GPx2 is coming and promises number 1 with the added bonus of point number 2 which means I dont have to buy an mp3 player or a movie player.

The XGP thing doesnt interest me at all. I think its a knee jerk reaction in a vain hope to scoop up some of the punters that bought the GP32 and now want something more.

 

[bast525]

Okay so let me be sure I have this right.

Gamepark Holdings are releasing the GPX2, it will be like the Gp32, open source.


Gamepark are releasing the XGP, which is sorta like the PSP, that's the one with the wide screen and 3d graphics chip? but it is NOT expected to be open source?


Someone correct me on this if I don't have any of it right

 

[polooo2]

Okay so let me be sure I have this right.

Gamepark Holdings are releasing the GPX2, it will be like the Gp32, open source.


Gamepark are releasing the XGP, which is sorta like the PSP, that's the one with the wide screen and 3d graphics chip? but it is NOT expected to be open source?


Someone correct me on this if I don't have any of it right

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They're both open source (open license, open SDK, different names, same openess) but GPX2 is more feasable because:

1. screen ratio and resolution makes it perfect for emulation,

2. lower price

3. linux OS


XGP is less feasable for homebrews because:

1. CPU not powerful enough to take advantage of 3d chip for emulation.

2. screen ratio, and resolution

3. more costly with additional extras

4. wants to be a PSP but not as good




I think with SD card as their external memory, and further plans for GPX2 to release a hard-disc version really makes GPX2 a great media device.

I could use every bit of extra gigs they throw at me.

 

[Flipside]

Anyone know what that image is at the bottom of the stats sheet on the main site?

The picture looks like a map to Gameholic or something and the text above it has 2005 8 13 11:00-17:00, that couldn't be the date and place when it is being revealed could it?

 

[moz]

The sole reason I've kept interest in the GP32 is that we've been getting closer to this holy grail mentioned in point 1

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wow havent heard that phrase for a while on this board "holy grail" :lol:

anyhow, let all agree as to whatever system comes out and what ever handheld we buy we try to stay as a united community. B)

 

[Jarska333]

NO! HOLY WAR! BURN THE HERETICS! :angry: h34r:

 

[look]

Our quest should be for the GRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAILLL!

 

[bast525]

sweet thanks for the info... well I officially WANT ONE!

GPX2 that is.

Well... I'll probably want a XGP as well... but GPX2 looks mighty sweet. Any word on when it's due out??

 

[Rob]

I am afraid the XGP will be a failure outside Korea and can someone translate the new pop-up that appears on the XGP site. Is it for the After Service again or it is the place where they will reveal it.

 

[Yuglooc]

as said in A LOT of Threds, it's out in october

 

[Cyclops]

Okay so let me be sure I have this right.

Gamepark Holdings are releasing the GPX2, it will be like the Gp32, open source.


Gamepark are releasing the XGP, which is sorta like the PSP, that's the one with the wide screen and 3d graphics chip? but it is NOT expected to be open source?


Someone correct me on this if I don't have any of it right

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They're both open source (open license, open SDK, different names, same openess) but GPX2 is more feasable because:

1. screen ratio and resolution makes it perfect for emulation,

2. lower price

3. linux OS


XGP is less feasable for homebrews because:

1. CPU not powerful enough to take advantage of 3d chip for emulation.

2. screen ratio, and resolution

3. more costly with additional extras

4. wants to be a PSP but not as good




I think with SD card as their external memory, and further plans for GPX2 to release a hard-disc version really makes GPX2 a great media device.

I could use every bit of extra gigs they throw at me.

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One thing that is certainly not clear, and that is whether the either device is open-source even though it is clear is that the gpx2 is at least in some part open source becuase the Linux is GPL and ensures open source. Looking at the Development Kit at MagicEyes its clear they charge for there development kit, which implies, that at least in part it is closed source, with the chip having the ability to do multimedia this is not surprising.

Again the OpenSDK on the XGP does not mean it is open source. In fact it implies the opposite. It implies to me access to the hardware through a propriatry Software Development Kit. It does not say how open the rest of the kit is, but even if it is trying for commercial support. I'd be very surprised. If it didn't close parts of the system to rely on some sort of DRM.

The major difference between the two systems that I can see is that GPX2 have chosen to go for a Software Development Kit that is a standard. You can buy books on game programming in SDL, and it is a standard in abou 80% of linux games and most of the commercial games available for Linux use SDL. It is designed for cross-platform development, so you can develop on you PC, and run the same game on your handheld or your kettle, which makes software already available and written using to be potentialy available to your handheld, with little or not effort. Actually in writing we see the words DRM on the site, of course this could just be a feature of the chip in question.

Although its worth pointing out there are many open-source licences, which I wouldn't even say I understand, but some are quite restrictive in their nature.

So in all I suspect (its a guess like everything else here). That at least some of the devices code will be closed off to the users, and its not clear how much, but you will be able to develop for both. If and when they exist.

*Jesus* now the feasible

 

[WarmFluffyUK]

Actually I can think of one area that Emu's would be okay with widescreen. You could have the menu visible at the same time as the emu is playing a game. i.e. Menu to the left filling up the rest of the screen!

 

[Pulstar]

I think everyone seems to have forgotten that most 3D chips can also do 2D acceleration. Perhaps the XGP's chip can too. Until we find out otherwise, we shouldn't assume it can't. We simply don't have enough info yet.

 

[feddon]

why would we need a holy grail? weve already got one!

 

[look]

why would we need a holy grail? weve already got one!

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Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of silly persons!

 

[polooo2]

why would we need a holy grail? weve already got one!

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We don't need a holy grail... We just need a bigger E-peen.

 

[Squidge]

One thing that is certainly not clear, and that is whether the either device is open-source even though it is clear is that the gpx2 is at least in some part open source becuase the Linux is GPL and ensures open source

Having an OS that is GPL could mean nothing - they could be using nothing more than the kernel, and could quite easily claim it as "Linux OS" - this means that only the kernel needs to be open-source, and the rest could be completely closed to all other users. Look at Linux-based routers, firewalls, and even Freeview (Digtal TV) boxes. They provide the modified Kernel for download, but that's all, because that's all the GPL there is in the box.

Again the OpenSDK on the XGP does not mean it is open source. In fact it implies the opposite. It implies to me access to the hardware through a propriatry Software Development Kit. It does not say how open the rest of the kit is, but even if it is trying for commercial support. I'd be very surprised. If it didn't close parts of the system to rely on some sort of DRM.

Completely agree. It seems from the initial information provided by GPH that they expect people to use SDL, and not attack the hardware directly. Then again, that's exactly how the GP32 worked - GP just provided a closed-source SDK, and people worked out how the hardware worked themselves via information on Samsung's website, which discussed the SoC inside the GP32 in great detail.

GPH have now confirmed that they are using the MMSP2 chip over at Magiceyes. There is no public information about how to use the MMSP2, and my requests to get information on how to use the chip and the requests to join the developer forum at Magiceyes have all been denied The sad part is that the company I work for develope in-car-entertainment solutions, so could, in theory at least, utilise the MMSP2 chips. I therefore seriously doub't any individual is going to get access to any of the information held there behind closed doors, so GPH certainly would not be allowed to release the information (or source code) either.

 

[Cyclops]

Cyclops I think that you completely misunderstood the aim of the XGP. It will do well in remakes of old classical games like Space Invaders in 3D. Perhaps the commercial support will be something like Gizmondo but at leats XGP will have it. You can not talk about the price until it is confirmed and everyone chooses what he wants (XGP or GPX2) so if you want GPX2 go for it. I understood what fit for purpose is even the first time but in most of the cases better MEANS better for. But I repeat let's wait a few months and then make this comments because now we have only predictions and then we will have facts. See how you have written vocabulary and then you will know why I criticize it

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I'm really glad you wrote that again

2: a language user's knowledge of words

my spelling cack, f**k my punctuation is pretty ragged too. you pulled me twice now, and fucked up twice. Jesus. I'd rather be taking about the GPnextgen myself

Any body who uses the word "better" as a description should not criticize anyone. you got something wrong we all do, please do not feel embaressed. You seem more than willing to take account of all my minor mistakes, but please look to your own first.

Will it do remakes of old classic games like space invaders. Think about it. Think about how capable the GP32 is. We all want a bigger and better machine, but has anyone other than a few demo's really pushed the potential on it no. I suspect even a game like 3D space invaders is out of the reach of most people who develop time/effort etc, and I would never say their would be none there is nothing wrong with it for those wanting to step into 3D or play with wireless. I'm just saying its unlikely, and there is not going to lot of it.

Of course I can talk about price, price is a major thing. I earn my money, and don't have enough to buy something just to have it sat in the drawer. Yes there is a lot of speculating over price, thats because Gamepark haven't released one or mockups or very little else. You actually comment on something that I do understand. If I am going to get more use(maybe I should say better) out of something, I would pay more for it. Am I going to use a 3D handheld like the one specced, NO, would I use a 2D one, YES. I would pay more for the 2D becuase I would use it more. If I was ever going to buy a 3D commercial handheld with homebrew scence. I'd already have a PSP in my pocket, and I suspect I'm not the only one. I'm not even sure I'd be given it. Your talking about nothing decided yet. I and I suspect others will make an informed descision based on know information. The PSP is better, more capable, and suitable than it, in every way apart from SD(TV-OUT????), and its not a biggy, and thats the bottom line. Two things are clear from this its being marketed against the PSP, with its laughable eXtreme Gaming, and its not that.

Notice at no time at all have I ever compared it to the GPX2, and I am not the only one who follows this trend, because in my mind their purpose(I should probably say better) is different. What do I think the GPX2 is better for(love the caps), everything that everybody loves currently on the GP32, only more.

My top 5
1) GPX2
2) Second hand 128MB Zarus(assuming Linux is released and its V.Cheap)
3) PSP Homebrew
4) GP32
5) PocketPC
6) XGP
7) Gizmondo
8) DS

I do not but commercial games because I haven't the interest or money. If I did. I suspect the list would be shorter.

If I wait a few months for the components to drop in price(sorry I know you hate that word) for this as yet vaporware machine. PSP Homebrew will be more established(its looking quite healthy now), and may even drop in price. Iriver may start toting a handheld around.

Am I speculating an awful lot, YES, but going on given information, unless the specification changes radically in the next few months, and had a better selling angle, its nothing other than cheaper PSP. Im talking dual core 666Mhz(I know Mhz is nothing) wonder chips at least, A dual core Godson-2. ,Low power X86, or go the other way TV like resolution. Make a deal with Sega slap a dreamcast chip in there, and run dreamcast games, built in digital TV-Card, Free Porn. A teasmade something at least.

Well what about the GPX2. I don't compare it to the PSP. for what it does its Better(see I used your word)than a PSP, and cheaper too. Its modest specs, are a lot better than a GP32 and capable of doing everything the GP32 if fact very little more. Its everything the GP32 tried to be, only now can, at a price(sorry again) that you won't mind upgrading for. Its for every person, who wanted, a little more juice, a little more memory, faster transfers, long file names, little more storage, etc etc.

The reality is PSP is a better XGP, but a GPX2 is a better GP32 from known current specifications

 

[Rob]

The reality is PSP is a better XGP, but a GPX2 is a better GP32 from known current specifications

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I have written that XGP is better than GPX2 and you started moaning. You have witten the same thing about PSP and XGP. Don't you think that talking about better for at this moment is really, absolutely fruitless since no one has announced the software about the consoles. And my final question is to everyone will Ninja h34r: come out or they have stopped working on it because three similar handhelds can not exist for long?

That's my Top 5
1.GP32 BLU+ (brighter screen than any other GP32)
2.XGP (has a lot of potential if Gamepark uses it correctly)
3.Gameboy Micro packed with Play-Yan Multimedia player (a killer design and good commercial support for which I do care because I love buying games that worth the money you spent on them)
4.GPX2 (will follow and improve the GP32 way but I am afraid that it will not improve that much as we expected. Look at DaveC's posts)
5.Sony PSP (also great commercial titles but lacks in battery life. Do you remember why Atari Lynx and Sega Gamegear have screwed themselves although they were obviously technology superior from the original Gameboy, yes exactly battery life)