We've started to order things!


bzar said:
Sorry for butting in, but it's not like he's deciding not to have more time. Time is a limited resource for all of us. You can't expect someone to have 25 hours per day or skip eating, sleeping, or earning a living to get a project done faster. ED outlined an example of his weekly routine in a recent news post. Where do you expect him to find more time?
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It's futile:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll
 
gpb said:
It's futile:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll
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It's fine. I'm fascinated by how civil this discussion is for months. Not sure if flapjack and mat are the same but they surely both make a lot of deliberate typos and misspellings and are here to disrupt.

They are still customer and community member and have right for dialog and freedom of expression unless they break a couple simple rules. They happen to know rules well and are smart enough to never cross the line.
 
m@t said:
But he have to find the time somehow (and he does often), otherwise he has to cancel the project and no one wants that to happen.
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That's a false dichotomy. There's a whole dimension of other options, namely the project taking the time it takes. He, as the rest of the team, find the time that they find and the project progresses at a pace limited by that (and external factors). It's not a matter of either happening in some optimal schedule or not at all.

Of course there's a function of people cancelling the longer the project takes and running costs eat away the profitability all the time, and there's certainly some threshold of these that make the project no longer feasible. But short of hearing something of the sort straight from the dragon's mouth I'm not convinced we're anywhere near that point. For now, it's probably better in the long run to take the time to do this properly instead of rushing it to market. Most of the stuff that's taking the time are parts that either can be used with any future CPU boards or need to be done with proper care anyway (like the charging part), which makes investing time and patience in them now rather than later a particularly good choice.
 
m@t said:
Fact is: The Pyra is delayed for a looong time. There where many reasonable causes for that. But in my opinion there are not reasonable causes too.
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you keep coming back to this misconception. there is no delay. that is the fact. you can not be delayed if there is no release date published! when did ED ever say the Pyra will be ready on a certain date? it has always been and always will be when ED is satisfied he has done everything he can to make the Pyra as economically good as it can be.
 
m@t said:
I like the project a lot. And i like the person ED too.

My Problem is: I don't feel informed well and i don't think i am the only one who feels that way. Many peoples on that forum makes it very hard to communicate that or ask critical question.
Don't ask or you will be bullied!
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The people who have been around here for longer and know Ed a bit better have just seen time and again that there's no point in questioning whether he "cares" that you and I get our Pyras soon. He's just one of us, of course he cares! The Pandora also had many mishaps, unfortunate developments, and delays (which, in my opinion, were worse than this time), and the planning (by Craig at the time) had been way more chaotic, but Ed did deliver eventually.

If you ask these kind of critical questions, then that's a good thing to do, but to many here such questions just don't seem to help anything in this particular case. This is not like with a big company that has lots of resources, just give money and get a finished solution in return, but I'm sure you knew that. Unfortunately, if requesting the preorder money back is not what you want to do (i.e. if you do trust @EvilDragon ), then I'm afraid that the best thing that you can do to improve the Pyra's release is to embrace that every individual person can have an impact with his or her specific and specialized knowledge.

You've mentioned that there have also been delays that have not been reasonable in your opinion. Would you mind elaborating on those? Maybe there's a lesson to learn or an opportunity to improve something
gpb said:
It's futile:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Don't_feed_the_Troll
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Who would not agree with "Don't feed the Troll"? Even people who understand themselves as trolls wouldn't. To be honest, I don't think that the label "Troll" would be even anywhere just remotely fair at this point. On the other hand, whenever you label someone a troll, it gets even less likely that opposing sides will be approaching each other...
 
Christoph.Krn said:
To be honest, I don't think that the label "Troll" would be even anywhere just remotely fair at this point. On the other hand, whenever you label someone a troll, it gets even less likely that opposing sides will be approaching each other...
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I agree on the second part. But in my opinion we reached that point of no return on Sunday at 9:52 PM.
 
m@t said:
English is not my native language. You have a problem with that?
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No problem with that at all. Although the communications here are mostly in English, English is not the native language of a very significant portion of the audience. English simply appears to be the language that most of us have in common. It is not uncommon for some facts and factors to get lost in translation. What is your native language? There may be some here who can help clarify things that may be difficult to translate.
 
m@t said:
I hear "rushing" all the time.
You know, there is something between "rushing" and "as slow as possible".

Not to rush is no valid argument against "maybe at that point it could be faster".
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Mmm... not really. Keep in mind that they're doing something nobody has ever done before. That means that when there is no off the shelf solution. When problems are encountered, a solution needs to be invented.

Project managers the world over are always frustrated with the speed of invention. To invent a solution to an unforeseen situation always takes an indeterminate amount of time. Indeterminate tasks simply do not fit into a Gantt chart.

Timelines for invention are simply irrelevant.
 
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