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Discussion in 'Pyra News' started by EvilDragon, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Klumpen

    Klumpen Run away! Run away!

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    Ok, those pics made me a little bit excited, which isn't an easy task these days.
     
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  2. PowerGod

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    The girl in the background seems really happy for the viewing angle !! ... or maybe she's just happy for the lights :p

    As cool as it is with a clear case, the more I see it transparent the more I want it black... I just can't imagine myself using a portable discoteque in public...
     
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  3. levi

    levi Still fresh, damnit!

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    ED has a girl in his room?

    /me goes back to check

    /me is disappointed
     
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  4. fusion_power

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    To be honest, Who really needs that? If it would have been easier to do 1 chargable port, why not keeping it that simple?
    Again, who needs that? If one SD-Slot less would have meant less tinkering, then do it the simple way. ;)

    Sad thing is, nobody may ever find out why the hell that never really worked at the end, even if it should have. Especialy not the company that actualy BUILT the rotator chip. -_-

    Looks good actualy, but like I feared from the beginning: the font is so tiny! No chance I could work with such a tiny desktop. And I doubt Debian can scale everything bigger without loosing menu functionality or causing "exploded" menus. You usualy need an entire mobile-OS for this kind of scaled fonts/menus/desktop usage, sadly.
     
  5. Taeko

    Taeko Still Fresh

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    Why not keep patient. On kickstarter you even might get a black box in the end with close to none updates. Wasn t even sure what was meant with black box.
     
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  6. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Administrator Staff Member

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    There are various reasons:

    1. If you connect a PC with serial out to the console port and it can't provide enough power, you can power it via the OTG port. (useful for devs).
    2. If you connect a device to the MicroUSB-Port, you still want to be able to charge the unit.

    Yes, that's something I think as well right now, but now it has happened.

    Sure, they do know that.
    The chip only supports VSync when running the display in command mode (not video mode), which is something Android can do.
    But Linux doesn't have support for the command mode, so that doesn't work.

    They never sold the chip to a Linux-User ;)

    The theme has not been changed in any way (except for the Pyra logo in the background), that's one of the last things you do.
    First it's important to get the OS running at all.
     
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  7. Grench

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    I do. Pretty much anyone who wants to be able to both power the device AND utilize the full capabilities of the USB 3.0 OTG port at the same time does. This is a BIG feature for many of us.

    I do. Pretty much anyone who wants to be able to mount two SDXC cards and move files between them directly does. Having the 3rd internal slot gives us the ability to flip between multiple OS images while still keeping the SD slots available. In theory we will also be able to get the microSD and the eMMC to both appear 'live' through dynamic switching yielding an internal available storage capability of 32GB (eMMC) plus up to 256GB microSD = 288 GB internally plus two SDXC slots at up to 512GB each yields just short of 1.3TB of on-device storage capability. This is a BIG feature for many of us.

    Fonts in modern Linux installs scale pretty well. The DE guys have really taken the accessibility thing seriously. Apparently you do not own a Pandora. Tiny fonts aren't an issue when you can select with a stylus or control mouse with a nub and run the game pad as arrow keys up and down the menu listings. The fonts should still be very crisp, even if/when scaled to be tiny. If, like me, reading tiny things becomes an age related issue, reading glasses are cheap and progressive lenses (modern bifocals) have become very good.

    I/we/you don't need a 'mobile OS' if the screen's touch interface is precise enough (stylus) and the controls are both comfortable and fluid (nubs & game pads).

    That said, it's Debian Linux. If you don't like the Desktop Environment (DE), you can download a different one.
     
  8. Silent-Hunter

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    Wouldn't this also be solved by having only the other port accept power, and have the OTG port not support power input?
     
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    Don't forget, Sandisk (supposedly) has 1TB prototype SDXC cards that they are working on, so, more like up to 2.288TB of on-device storage (before whatever potential formatting on the cards). :D The more potential storage on the Pyra/device, the more potential utility/value it can have (being able to store/run a few programs/whatever vs. being able to store/run EVERYTHING IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!!!! /evil laughter)
     
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  10. fusion_power

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    OK, for future projects: It could help to ask in advance if the Hardware/Software you want to use also works 100% under Linux. :D

    Why not using a dedicated charging jack instead? (to late, I know ;) ) Or the other free USB ports that can't charge? ...Or an simple USB-Hub?

    Who on earth needs so much storage space on a small mobile device? O.O" Wouldn't have 2 SD slots also fulfill your needs instead of 3? (if it would have saved us months of Pyra dev time)
    Of course I do, since the beginning. And it is a pain in the ass to move around the Desktop menus just because things just do not fit on the screen. ;) High res may solve that but then the fonts are to small. (Standard Pandora Desktop fonts and elements are way to small for me and Pyra res is even higher) If Pyras Debian really can scale up and re-arrange menus for mobile usage, (big buttons, fonts still to fit on screen) I'm happy. I'ts not about hitting tiny buttons in my case, it's only about seeing something comfortably even on a tiny high-res screen.
     
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  11. EvilDragon

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    Well, hard to tell.

    1. Wait for the case. If it's fine: Done. If not, then I can tell what issues it has.
    2. Same for the keymat.
    3. Same for the revised LCD Cable.
    4. We're currently heavily working on finding any remaining issues on the hardware (zmatt, aTc, slaeshjaeg, hns, me and some others are heavily working on that and discussing about it). So far, most of the issues we found have simple fixes (remove a resistor here, etc.). There's only one that might be a bit more complicated, but we could still produce the first 570 units with some restriction (more about that in the newspost)

    Well, apart from writing a manual, producing the boxes, etc., that should be it.
    As long as we don't find tons of other bugs, the hardware is pretty much done. We've found quite a few last and this week, but the things to poke around and test are fewer and fewer now, so it's less likely each day we find anything else.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Mar 23, 2017 ---
    Well, the problem is: It doesn't make sense. If the rotator chip would simply use the sync it receives from the video data (which is what any sane person expects), then it would work with whatever you use to throw video data at it
    No one knows why the rotator chip uses it's own clock and wants to sync the system to itself instead of using the sync from the video signal as clock... that was unexpected.

    Where should the charging jack be? To add it, we would need to remove one of the USB ports. So it's better that the USB port can be used both for charging AND serial out.
     
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  12. vcoleiro1

    vcoleiro1 Hardcore Member

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    @ED

    Do you have any marketing plan to tap into the huge Japanese UMPC market when the Pyra does launch. As we have seen with the WIN, Pocket and Gemini - about 60% of backers are from Japan.


    It would also require Japanese certification
     
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  13. Linux-SWAT

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    Does it mean defeating some kind of ninja ?
     
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    An extra SDXC slot means more PS1 ISOs ;)
     
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    and a ton of movies you can watch either on the go or on a big screen thanks to the mini hdmi out :D
     
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  16. Klumpen

    Klumpen Run away! Run away!

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  17. jeeks

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    @Klumpen oh yessss! instant movie night anywhere (except in public places, or the GEMA or something will send a hit squad)!
     
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    And some planes, sadly ... :=/
     
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  19. Haraldur

    Haraldur Very Active Member

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    Awesome! I look forward to it. About 10% less thick?
     
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    Actually, for that the USB consortium invented the Accessory Charging Adapter, which sits between the OTG port and any attachment, and additionally has a charger port.

    And if you can't be bothered to buy a proper ACA, the interwebs helpfully provides this diagram:
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    Just to be clear, this is not valid ACA. It is bad. It is wrong. It is non-standards-compliant.

    ... It probably works fine as long as you connect the charger first.
     
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