Discussion in 'Pyra News' started by EvilDragon, Feb 1, 2014.
+1 for KS. The advertising it brings is worth the fee's IMO.
We can do our own kickstarter-like campaign -- it was done for the Pandora, why not for the Pyra too?
For people in the EU, payments can be done with a simple bank wire, with no percentage going anywhere. EvilDragon already has a webshop, we can use that infrastructure.
Advertising will be done by the community. News sites like slashdot will talk about regardless of whether it is done with a KickStarter, some other platform, or just self-organized. In fact, I think many news sites are tired of "yet another kickstarter project" stories.
And if we don't have the ~10% overhead, that fact in itself is something we can advertise too: "no money wasted on middle men and proprietary DRM-infested software, just buy the hardware straight from the producer and it's yours to do with it what you want."
I don't even think you can use Kickstarter outside of North America as a campaign creator unless you set up a physical company there and get someone to handle it for you. You'd have to go Indiegogo.
IMO, all you'd really need is a gadget porn youtube video of the complete product and all those techblogs will propagate them.
KS is available to projects based in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. ED would need a contact in one of those. As said, not for Indiegogo - but its not as good as KS.
Kickstarter had a kind of culture that surrounds it that you don't get any where else really. There are people who go around searching for interesting KS projects to back. The exposure is so much greater than you get out of a few tech website articles. It's also an exciting system, the drive to reach stretch goals is a really great way to get people to donate. And also it'd not a pre-order system, you aren't buying anything when you back a project. So it may be financial safer for Ed than taking pre orders.
If there is a pre-order incentive (such as price) to order directly from ED then most of us here present would surely order that way.
It would be interesting to find out the sales objectives. As said above the community can probably pull in a few potential customers.
could you please stop the Craig chatter? In every third thread somebody mentions Crag and a dozen unrelated posts follow. Its annoying
back to topic, I'm with Ivanovic, rohezal and _wb_.... We shoudn't use Kickstarter. Our user base is big enough. At least 30 Euro would go down the drain...- I don't want to feed the Amazon monster ; )
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You need crwodfunding as sort of "insurance" between the two sides of the campain. I don't think (based on the Pandora story) that this is needed here. Just let ED reach the Point of Endproduction and order...
EDIT: Me too won't mind to pay now and wait for ... well nevermind actually
That are exactly the reasons why we did organize the www.Neo900.org fund raising campaign ourselves. It saves some (not all) money transfer fees (e.g. credit card transaction cost still applies), but we can define the rules ourselves.
For example we were not happy with the quite short deadline and the predefined budget. And running strech goals needs a very good preparation and plan-B management. A dedicated team must manage the campaign until it is done. And if it fails it is difficult to do another one with different deadline and limits.
So we did choose to have the fund raising open as long as it fits for the project goal and so it smoothly transforms from donations over pre-ordering to ordering from stock.
Well, we are not done with the Neo900 funding to draw final conclusions, but I currently think that it was a good decision. And the organizational overhead was not that big that it can't be managed.
Of course, we will miss the marketing hype those portals claim to provide (but they say in their FAQ that some interested community should already exist to be successful). But to really get the money from people who don't know where to spend money the project must still sound really good for them (not for us) compared to arbitrary other projects - not only hardware or computers. They may simply prefer to spend money to an artist or someone needing personal/medical help.
Maybe the best strategy is to do several types of campaigns. As ED said it is not for development but for getting the production funded. So he can simply offer preorders in his shop. On top of that someone can organise a Kickstarter campaign - with the goal to order e.g. 1000 units from ED's shop and distribute to the KS contributors. And someone else does a similar but independent campaign on Indiegogo. Etc. In the long run it is the question how to make the project aware to the public and give interested people the opportunity to order one to be part of the first production run.
Please consider releasing a HDMI only (no screen) version.
PS: Thumbs up for featuring the Game Gadget in your online store. IMO it was an underrated system, especially for the cost.
I developed a couple of Game Gadget games that are available here: http://rastersoft.net/?cat=10
removing the LCD screen won't significantly make the price of producing any cheaper.. we're only talking about ~$50 if the screens were bought in bulk.. the supporting plastic and LCD cables cost savings would be negligible.
There is a wide range of computing equipment that can be connected to a television/HDMI display. Everything from an RPi to he latest gaming PC.
What would the Pyra have to offer that couldn't be achieved with existing computer systems after you've removed the built-in screen
A 1080p screen for $50? I figured they would be pretty expensive.
Cost, mainly. I'm interested in it as a development platform, so it would be connected to a monitor 99% of the time.
Not to mention a 1080p display on a 5 inch screen will be pretty tough to use.
Here's about what you'll end up with:
Didn't ED quote the price of screens he will be using at 70 Euro?
Well, if you need a development platform, then the OMP5 development board would be cheaper
_wb_ and others have written games for the Pandora ON the Pandora, with a smaller screen. I've written games on the 3DS using PetitComputer with just the stylus on an even smaller screen, so it's definitely possible. However, it's not necessarily ideal!
In addition... you could like connect it to a big screen...
Or just ssh into it from your PC. You'll want the Pyra screen anyway at some point to try whatever it is you are developing with the "real" handheld experience.
If someone needs a SD image for the 5432EVM that works (boot loader, pyra-kernel, Debian Wheezy, xorg.conf for HDMI) please PM me for a download link.
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