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TrashyMG said:
I hope not, By default at most I would want the lid switch to just turn off the screen when closed. I'd rather have the power button handle shutdown/standby mode, or have a timed shutdown/standby mode when the lid is closed..
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Yes, this...Backlight off and that's it...
I wouldn't want it to stop playing music when I close the lid... or lose the Data connection.
And preferably it will output HDMI with the lid closed too.
 
Grench said:
The idea with "Second Super" is that then allows Second Super plus shoulder combos for play/pause/next/prev audio control with lid closed. As ED said, though, software configuration means you do not need to be restricted on it.
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I configured deadbeef on my Pandora to use the shoulders to skip through whatever I was playing, but only chorded with a keyboard key; I used left bumper and right d-pad to skip 10% forward through a song/programme and right bumper and left d-pad to skip 3% back. I found if I just used the shoulder buttons they tended to get pressed inside my pocket of the case I was using spontaneously. I guess if you more commonly use it at work sitting on a desk next to you it's less of a problem though.
 
The lid being closed doesn't press a button, but I wish it did.
Back when I was porting my game to the Pandora, I wanted to go an extra step and pause the game automatically when the lid is closed. Best I found was a program that returned if the lid was closed or not... which wasn't exactly usable as I would've had to poll by executing it frequently. Maybe there was a better way, but I found nothing documented and nobody could help me either. Would be cool if there was a simple way to get that info as a SDL event or key.

Edit: To clarify a bit more, I'm solely talking about a software button/key that could be queried as such without any extra tools.
 
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TrashyMG said:
I hope not, By default at most I would want the lid switch to just turn off the screen when closed. I'd rather have the power button handle shutdown/standby mode, or have a timed shutdown/standby mode when the lid is closed..
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I was speaking to how it should default in the OS when shipped/installed. Assuming menus for changing things get built, your use case should be one of the options to select. I'm talking about the -safest- option for default, not necessarily the most -useful to you- option.

Eight Bit said:
Yes, this...Backlight off and that's it...
I wouldn't want it to stop playing music when I close the lid... or lose the Data connection.
And preferably it will output HDMI with the lid closed too.
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I was speaking to how it should default in the OS when shipped/installed. Assuming menus for changing things get built, your use case should be one of the options to select. I'm talking about the -safest- option for default, not necessarily the most -useful to you- option.

docbroke said:
Good thing about linux is we can configure it the way we want. So I will not worry much about default configuration.
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Exactly.
 
elvissteinjr said:
The lid being closed doesn't press a button, but I wish it did.
Back when I was porting my game to the Pandora, I wanted to go an extra step and pause the game automatically when the lid is closed. Best I found was a program that returned if the lid was closed or not... which wasn't exactly usable as I would've had to poll by executing it frequently. Maybe there was a better way, but I found nothing documented and nobody could help me either. Would be cool if there was a simple way to get that info as a SDL event or key.
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Closing the lid -does- trip a trigger via a hall switch and a magnet, which is the exact same thing as pushing a button. If this gets mapped as 'default' to a known 'key' in the OS (Suggested 2nd Super Key), then developers like you can plan/see/expect this event when this switch is triggered.
 
We don't need default, let nothing happen on closing lead. User may decide what they want on closing the lead ( shutdown, suspend, hibernate, blank screen only, lock screen, nothing or whatever other weird thing they want Pyra to do )
 
TrashyMG said:
@Grench Maybe we need a very contentious/divisive poll to decide the default.
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Better still would be to have the default be a simple shut down and have some developer thread where people are asked for all of the different things that they want the lid switch menu selections to be.

Personally, I want my lid switch to be multi-selection capable.
Close lid = shutdown
Left Shoulder 1 + Close lid = standby
Left Shoulder 2 + Close lid = launch audio player, turn off screen, activate bluetooth, pair to my headphones, route audio away from internal speakers, start the music playing then pause 0.5 seconds in.
Right Shoulder 1 + Close lid = ?????
Rightt Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ?????
Left Shoulder 1 + Left Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ??????
Right Shoulder 1 + Right Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ?????
Left Shoulder 1 + Left Shoulder 2 + Right Shoulder 1 + Close lid = ?????

By my figuring, there are 17 different actions that closing the lid can be programmed to do by holding none, one or combinations of shoulder buttons when closing it.

I still say that the shipping default for a simple lid closed without modifiers (changeable in a menu either at shipping or planned for 'some day when a developer gets to making the configuration application' should be a very simple and safe shutdown.

Oh - and yes, this has become a keyboard thread again...
 
Looks like great progress on both hardware and software. Looking forward to people reporting their prototype experience for their use cases.

Thanks.
 
elvissteinjr said:
The lid being closed doesn't press a button, but I wish it did.
Back when I was porting my game to the Pandora, I wanted to go an extra step and pause the game automatically when the lid is closed. Best I found was a program that returned if the lid was closed or not... which wasn't exactly usable as I would've had to poll by executing it frequently. Maybe there was a better way, but I found nothing documented and nobody could help me either. Would be cool if there was a simple way to get that info as a SDL event or key.

Edit: To clarify a bit more, I'm solely talking about a software button/key that could be queried as such without any extra tools.
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The standard for lid open/close events is ACPI events. You can either watch ACPI (acpi_listen) to see when the lid event is sent, or edit the ACPI handler to do certain actions when an event is received. Of course, this is only valid if the Pandora/Pyra actually uses ACPI.
 
Grench said:
Close lid = shutdown
Left Shoulder 1 + Close lid = standby
Left Shoulder 2 + Close lid = launch audio player, turn off screen, activate bluetooth, pair to my headphones, route audio away from internal speakers, start the music playing then pause 0.5 seconds in.
Right Shoulder 1 + Close lid = ?????
Rightt Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ?????
Left Shoulder 1 + Left Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ??????
Right Shoulder 1 + Right Shoulder 2 + Close lid = ?????
Left Shoulder 1 + Left Shoulder 2 + Right Shoulder 1 + Close lid = ?????
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Close lid + Space = Ouch! :)
 
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