We Might Be Getting Doom 3, So What Else Is Possible?

[fusion_power]

Doom3 goes open source this year some time.

Nice! It'd be nice to know where you got that info from though.

Nice. But first I would be happy with just Quake 3 running Fullspeed and with standard clocking onto the Pandora . \^_\^

I wonder, if John Carmack already knows about the Pandora, maybe he has some freetime to make some experiments with it if he gets one? [Dream] exclussive Doom or Quake Game for Pandora [/dream]

 

[alfaalex101]

I'd say some people would put Quake 4 eventually, it was not a good game.

There I said it.

 

[ldesnogu]

I think there was an interview at QuakeCon where Carmack or someone said they were planning for a 2009 release as long as all their licensees were done making money with it.

Yep, here it is: www.linuxgames.com/archives/10532
It's not exactly what you wrote

EDIT: BTW since Rage won't be out this year, we probably won't see Doom3 source this year.
www.strategyinformer.com/news/3626/rage-not-out-this-year-says-ids-hollenshead-release-date-elusive

 

[hedwards]

I'd say some people would put Quake 4 eventually, it was not a good game.

There I said it.

I personally never bothered with Quake after they ditched the single player experience. I know that writing AI is hard, but I've personally no interest in playing DM all the time, I really want something that I can play through on my own time and pretend like I haven't wasted the last couple of weeks of my life.

Sort of like Fallout 3, Assassin's creed or even the old Dooms and Quakes.

And in case they put it back in after Q3, possibly, but I lost interest in constantly upgrading hardware by that point and haven't looked into their later games.

 

[ninjamonkey]

If you think about it, Doom 3 was released in august of 2004 for the PC. And April of 2005 for the XBoX. So id should be releasing the source code for Doom 3 and Quake 4 sometime soon.

 

[cb88]

@ninjamonkey don't put too much thought into it john carmack has already said he would release it after Rage was out and the other game which I don't recall are both out... which should be pretty soon

 

[Monk]

I personally never bothered with Quake after they ditched the single player experience.

I must admit that single player and local co-op are my only real interests - any game that's DM only.. well, my family won't play DM with me anyway so it'd be a waste of $$

 

[Vorporeal]

I'd say some people would put Quake 4 eventually, it was not a good game.

There I said it.

I personally never bothered with Quake after they ditched the single player experience. I know that writing AI is hard, but I've personally no interest in playing DM all the time, I really want something that I can play through on my own time and pretend like I haven't wasted the last couple of weeks of my life.

Sort of like Fallout 3, Assassin's creed or even the old Dooms and Quakes.

And in case they put it back in after Q3, possibly, but I lost interest in constantly upgrading hardware by that point and haven't looked into their later games.


Quake 4 brings back the story, taking place right after Q2, IIRC. It's a pretty extensive single-player campaign. I think it's worth playing.

 

[Ravnos]

QUOTE

I'd say some people would put Quake 4 eventually, it was not a good game.

There I said it.

I personally never bothered with Quake after they ditched the single player experience. I know that writing AI is hard, but I've personally no interest in playing DM all the time, I really want something that I can play through on my own time and pretend like I haven't wasted the last couple of weeks of my life.

Sort of like Fallout 3, Assassin's creed or even the old Dooms and Quakes.

And in case they put it back in after Q3, possibly, but I lost interest in constantly upgrading hardware by that point and haven't looked into their later games.

Quake 4 brings back the story, taking place right after Q2, IIRC. It's a pretty extensive single-player campaign. I think it's worth playing.

I liked it more than I liked Doom 3, which isn't saying much, I guess. I just thought Doom 3 got pretty repetitive very quickly.

 

[MrPoletski]

Doom 3 SDK

http://www.iddevnet.com/doom3/downloads.php

...and while I'm here, SEND CARMACK A FREE PANDORA!!!

 

[bzar]

Doom 3 SDK

http://www.iddevnet.com/doom3/downloads.php

...and while I'm here, SEND CARMACK A FREE PANDORA!!!

SDK != Source

EDIT: To be more specific, we need the engine source to port it, the SDK only includes the game source

 

[aconsumer]

Even if Doom 3 and / or Quake 4 get released SDK Source.. is it even possible to run them on the Pandora? Seems slim unless the port is amazing..and godlike somehow cutting down processor usage by huge amounts..

I would be quite happy with a stable version of Quake 3..And Even more content with a version of Quake Live so I can play at coffee shops and send mean faces to the Starbucks drinkers while I go on Frag fest.. Then again I suppose im not very good anyways.. and wifi in those coffee bars always sucks cause some guy is downloading porn and rocking in his chair in the corner.. hmm oh well..

What were we talking about again..

oh right.. yah I don't think it will be possible even if it gets released but what do i know

 

[alucart1984]

Even if Doom 3 and / or Quake 4 get released SDK Source.. is it even possible to run them on the Pandora? Seems slim unless the port is amazing..and godlike somehow cutting down processor usage by huge amounts..

I would be quite happy with a stable version of Quake 3..And Even more content with a version of Quake Live so I can play at coffee shops and send mean faces to the Starbucks drinkers while I go on Frag fest.. Then again I suppose im not very good anyways.. and wifi in those coffee bars always sucks cause some guy is downloading porn and rocking in his chair in the corner.. hmm oh well..

What were we talking about again..

oh right.. yah I don't think it will be possible even if it gets released but what do i know



Here are the minimum specs requirements for Doom 3 on Linux
GNU/Linux system,
Pentium III, 1Ghz
256Mb RAM
Kernel 2.4, 2.6 is recommended
glibc 2.2.4 and up

3D card:
NV10 or R200 minimum hardware
OpenGL hardware acceleration
64 MB VRAM

sound card, OSS or Alsa, stereo sound and 5.1 are supported with both APIs
Alsa version 1.0.6 or above is required

A licensed copy of Doom III retail for Windows
In order to play the additional Resurrection of Evil Expansion Pack, a licensed copy of the Expansion Pack for Windows


The Pandora meets pretty much the minimum except CPU but I don't know how a 600MHZ OMAP ARM processor compares to a P3. Of course using the minimum specs will come at a cost of lower resolution and certain graphics turned down low or completely off. [edit] I was referring to using the PC with these specs would have to have a lower resolution and lower graphics. Compared to a desktop computer the Pandora is running a low resolution, but in terms of a handheld it has a high resolution. I believe if the Pandora could pull off Doom 3 it would be at 640X480 not the full resolution of the Pandora.

Is there any benchmark software that someone can run on the pandora, then also run on system compared to the minimum specs of Doom 3 on Linux? That would truely show us where the pandora stands on preformance compared to a low-spec desktop.

I am going to do some research on this. I am so bored. Man the Pandora needs to come out offically so I can convience my girlfriend to let me get it.

 

[lulzfish]

Other than actually running Doom 3, I don't think any benchmark software will help unless you also know what sort of demands Doom 3 will be making.

Like if you benchmarked 32-bit int multiplication and 32-bit int addition and loops and branches, it won't do any good unless you know how many Doom 3 will be making, and at that point you'd just as well port it anyway.

I think it should be able to run fine on low detail at least, I think the CPU should be able to match a Pentium 3 for most stuff.

 

[Creature XL]

Other than actually running Doom 3, I don't think any benchmark software will help unless you also know what sort of demands Doom 3 will be making.

Like if you benchmarked 32-bit int multiplication and 32-bit int addition and loops and branches, it won't do any good unless you know how many Doom 3 will be making, and at that point you'd just as well port it anyway.

I think it should be able to run fine on low detail at least, I think the CPU should be able to match a Pentium 3 for most stuff.

I think he didn't mean a simple int-addition loop as a benchmark
But there was so much talk about the specifications of the SGX and the NVIDIA 6000. A simple OpenGL benchmark would have been better then that. A simple GLXGears run would be interesting for starters (glxgears should be available with any linux distro or easy compileable).
Of course this is not a way to guess Doom3 capabilities. But there must be a 3d benchmark out there. Even I could pull off some simple 3d stuff which tests some things of the rendering pipeline. But a more experienced dev would be able to do it much faster.

Lets make a list what a potential should contain:

- read in a scene (how many polys do typical games have?)
- rotate the camera around it
- simple fragment shader (lightning) effects
- nothing special in the vertex shader. The view projection transform is enuff


what else?


PS:
Can someone make a scene which can be used to benchmark?
I have no clue which file format, but 3DSMax should be easy to read, well I think thre wouldbe routines on the internet.


EDIT:
QUOTE
I think the CPU should be able to match a Pentium 3 for most stuff.

I think in this particular instance it is NOT able to be as fast as a P3.
It has no integer division and no fast MMX or SSE. Yeah, NEON can do SSE-like stuff but not as fast as the P3.
There were talks about stalling the ARM core when fetching data for NEON and the like. The NEON instruction go thru the ARM pipeline aswell and so on...

 

[lulzfish]

I didn't think a benchmark would though, since we don't know how many polygons DOOM will want to render at any given point, or how division it does, etc.

Any floating point will probably kill it.. which is a bitch since floating-point seems to be the standard for decimal math.

I suppose if we could get a system that could minimally run Doom 3 and compare every single CPU / GPU aspect of that to the Pandora's, we could take a guess.

But it would be much simpler to just wait for the source to come out and see whether it works once somebody ports it.

 

[Creature XL]

The good thing about a benchmark program is that you can use it for much more programs. All the talk is about Doom3 which as was stated before is a shitty game. All it has is nice graphics, which we will have to sacrifice to make it playable.

wouldn't it be nice to have a simple benchmark which helps us to figure out how fast the SGX is in comparison to the NVIDIA chips?

ATM i am experimenting with Clutter. IFF I have some time I make a small benchmark just for me to get some experience with OpenGLES

 

[cb88]

well in the case of doom3 things like sound decoding could probably be offloaded to the DSP as well... and no the pandora isn't anywhere close to a PIII not even a 600Mhz PII since it isn't out of order (OMAP3 has dual issue but not out of order execution iirc)

we will just have to wait and see ... people need to accept that

 

[God Ginrai]

Even if Doom 3 and / or Quake 4 get released SDK Source.. is it even possible to run them on the Pandora? Seems slim unless the port is amazing..and godlike somehow cutting down processor usage by huge amounts..

I would be quite happy with a stable version of Quake 3..And Even more content with a version of Quake Live so I can play at coffee shops and send mean faces to the Starbucks drinkers while I go on Frag fest.. Then again I suppose im not very good anyways.. and wifi in those coffee bars always sucks cause some guy is downloading porn and rocking in his chair in the corner.. hmm oh well..

What were we talking about again..

oh right.. yah I don't think it will be possible even if it gets released but what do i know




Well, I can't vouch for Quake 4, but Craig said that Doom 3 should work on the Pandora, basically being the limit of the Pandora's abilities.

-God Ginrai

 

[alucart1984]

I think some people read to much into my post. I meant a generalized comparison.
Example: ( please forgive me as I have never used glxgears and am unfamilar with it so I don't what exactly it outputs when you run it. )


Lets say you run glxgears on the minimum spec PC running linux
so P3 1Ghz, 256MB Ram, and a Geforce 3 and you got 100fps (reminder I am just throwing numbers up for my example)

then on the Pandora you ran it and the output was only 20fps.

At that point you would have to assume that Doom 3 isn't going to run very well.

That's what I was talking about when referring to benchmarking a min spec P3 vs Pandora. Just a ball park comparison.

I mean if the Panora's CPU can't do this and can't do that, but the P3 can, then it would take one hell of a port to make it run comparable. Unless it was built from the ground up based off of the source...then we wouldn't have the same game would we.