Bosbeetle
Terminally lost
Thanks, I'll PM you my PayPal details.thats it!!!
I will be donating a small amount tonight![]()
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well I thought I send them some money since they've already sent me 4 pandoras
Thanks, I'll PM you my PayPal details.thats it!!!
I will be donating a small amount tonight![]()
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+1This is my first post from my pandora, and I must say, this is way awesome. I'm giving jr a bath, and i would like to play my new 3DS, but sadly it is charging.
So I guess I'm just here to say the Pandora kicks much Ass, and units are being delivered, and the extra funds are being put to good use. So just sit back and take easy, more news and updates will happen when the team knows something new.
Chris
Makes sense to me, and I say that as someone whose Pandora has arrived today (but I'm at work so need to wait a few more hours!) - a lot of the negative feeling on the boards would go away if sensible updates were posted on the site in a regular fashion. It wouldn't take much work to do it, but the problem is that OPT seems committed to being pig-headed about this situation; whether that is because of genuine disarray, a lack of perception, an attempt to spin the situation or a personality culture I have no idea, but whatever it is it's not helping those who have invested money a long time ago in the unit. Clearly the whole queue situation is a mess, which doesn't help matters, but using a fairly simple database system would have meant none of this would have happened. I'm no programmer but even I could have knocked up something worthwhile in a day or two. I just hope that OPT learns the lessons of this and that the future looks brighter - I'm certainly pleased about the Pandora finally being here, and I also appreciate that the Premium devices were a necessary evil. I just hope the unit has a future, as does the team.I think maybe a simple solution might be helpful here, if Craig is able to do this. Once a queue milestone is reached he could say "Now shipping in the XXXX range" so those who are wondering where they stand could get an Idea just how much farther the whole thing has gotten. I remembered someone had said, quite a few weeks ago, they were around 1100 in the queue and Craig had posted that theirs should be shipping from the next batch made. I think it's over a month now since then and I have no Idea where they are now. Being around the 1600 mark and hearing around 2000 Pandoras have been made, and hearing more are shipping premium or not, doesn't help me know where I stand at all.
I'm all for patient waiting but it can alleviate the wait by knowing just how much closer you are. Hope this is a doable and helpful idea.
Tell me how they're supposed to make your pre-order unit at a financial loss. From what I understand, the pre-order units were sold below cost in order to jump start the project.
Here's how it works. A company designs a product. They want to sell it. So they find investors to help them start up the company.
Here's how I kind of figure it works. In OP's case, they found investors, YOU, to pay for an under-cost unit to be delivered at an unspecified time to secure the contracts to start building the equipment.
In theory, more Premium orders means more production, which means more pre-orders get shipped out. So a piece of advice I have for you is that you could try to get more people to buy the product.
trix, you should consider being a helping hand at Pandora Press, your writing skills are AWESOME! :lol:
Too many hands in the cookie jar. If OP wants investors, they should be from the community. These people can get extremely greedy.
Too many hands in the cookie jar. If OP wants investors, they should be from the community. These people can get extremely greedy.
Seems they already pulled their investments from the community...... So, just want to make sure I got this right. Its ok to take thousands of peoples money for years, to finance your company, but its not ok, and their greedy if they want a piece of the pie? Plain an simple to me. Why would Craig give up a piece, when the community has already invested, and paid for it, with no gain, but their product years later? Well, hopefully..someday....get their product. Then when things finally start rolling, put those investors without shares/customers on the back burner to make room, for "premium" johnny come lately customers. Heaven forbid sharing profits, and offering those people a share, to bring in cash flow. Oh, and if they get frustrated, or complain about it just tell them to go fuck themselves. Sorry, but not much of this project has made good business sense to me. I hate saying it, but it seems like the response from Craig is..oh you dont like it? Fuck you, Ive already had your money for years now. Go buy a PSP. Is that really how you talk to people that youve been hanging on to their money for years, to finance your company? Ive been biting my tongue for a while, but I cant help but feel as if the community has been taken advantage of. And before someone starts spouting off about, well they havent made any real profits to share with any one. They havent made any money, cause the business end of this is one big cluster fuck, on the communities dime. I just think the upfront approach, and ethical thing to do, from the onset, would have been to take investors from the community, not use thousands of peoples money for years, to finance their business. Seems we are just a bank to Craig, with no interest rate. Everyone is just supposed to sit back, shut up, and wait.....indefinitely. Im sorry massive amounts of preorders from the community is no way to ethically finance, or upstart your company. IMO premium orders were not the ethical thing to do. If OP needed cash flow, they shouldve offered the community(who without them none of this would exist)shares. But that would mean sharing the cookie jar, like all the preorderers did with OP.
It was not aimed at you, but at him ↓↓↓Me? I know damn well that they're NOT rolling in cash.
Seems they already pulled their investments from the community...... So, just want to make sure I got this right. Its ok to take thousands of peoples money for years, to finance your company, but its not ok, and their greedy if they want a piece of the pie? […]
Investors......too complicated, or too many hands in the cookie jar? There I said it. Call me a troll, I dont care any more.
Unless you are Facebook and Goldman Sachs, then you make your own rules.Investors......too complicated, or too many hands in the cookie jar? There I said it. Call me a troll, I dont care any more.
Early in the project (before preorders etc):
Too many hands trying to grab the wheel and steer them off the road
Recently (I actually tend to bring this up every so often when money is discussed, since I'd invest):
Craig indicated that it is indeed a very complicated issue. It does create a whole new set of liabilities, so you have to be VERY careful with it.
Unless you are Facebook and Goldman Sachs, then you make your own rules.
Too many hands in the cookie jar. If OP wants investors, they should be from the community. These people can get extremely greedy.
Seems they already pulled their investments from the community...... So, just want to make sure I got this right. Its ok to take thousands of peoples money for years, to finance your company, but its not ok, and their greedy if they want a piece of the pie? Plain an simple to me. Why would Craig give up a piece, when the community has already invested, and paid for it, with no gain, but their product years later? Well, hopefully..someday....get their product. Then when things finally start rolling, put those investors without shares/customers on the back burner to make room, for "premium" johnny come lately customers. Heaven forbid sharing profits, and offering those people a share, to bring in cash flow. Oh, and if they get frustrated, or complain about it just tell them to go fuck themselves. Sorry, but not much of this project has made good business sense to me. I hate saying it, but it seems like the response from Craig is..oh you dont like it? Fuck you, Ive already had your money for years now. Go buy a PSP. Is that really how you talk to people that youve been hanging on to their money for years, to finance your company? Ive been biting my tongue for a while, but I cant help but feel as if the community has been taken advantage of. And before someone starts spouting off about, well they havent made any real profits to share with any one. They havent made any money, cause the business end of this is one big cluster fuck, on the communities dime. I just think the upfront approach, and ethical thing to do, from the onset, would have been to take investors from the community, not use thousands of peoples money for years, to finance their business. Seems we are just a bank to Craig, with no interest rate. Everyone is just supposed to sit back, shut up, and wait.....indefinitely. Im sorry massive amounts of preorders from the community is no way to ethically finance, or upstart your company. IMO premium orders were not the ethical thing to do. If OP needed cash flow, they shouldve offered the community(who without them none of this would exist)shares. But that would mean sharing the cookie jar, like all the preorderers did with OP.
There are no profits you wall-of-text loon. The goal now is simply to complete the project and ship all the units for us to all enjoy, then have a rest. Then start another 'console idea' thread.
UberDub: Everything makes so much more sense if you think of openpandora not as a business or a company, but a project to get a small group of people what they want instead of what businesses and companies offer. Don't think of profits or business ideas, think people putting their money together to buy a pizza. In this case buying ingredients for a meal, and the cooks doing all the work get to keep the leftovers.
Investors......too complicated, or too many hands in the cookie jar? There I said it. Call me a troll, I dont care any more.
Early in the project (before preorders etc):
Too many hands trying to grab the wheel and steer them off the road
Recently (I actually tend to bring this up every so often when money is discussed, since I'd invest):
Craig indicated that it is indeed a very complicated issue. It does create a whole new set of liabilities, so you have to be VERY careful with it.