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realyst said:
Nothing is stopping you from using your own damn keymap. It's been said it'll run on Linux. You can keymap in Linux.
Maybe he's not that good with Dvorak or Colemak, so he requires the keys properly labelled so he can do a one finger spiral type :D

Oh yeah, sorry, he's demanding a thumb board as its "pointless" to do anything else, and thumb boards require all the keys to be labelled, because it's impossible to remember the position of them as they are so much different from the usual layouts on proper keyboards...
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argh! I can't hear this crazy keyboard talk no more. Put a sock in it everyone!!!

In Germany we've got the qwertz layout and it's totally different from the qwerty. We have Umlauts like öäü and weird shit like that. But migo, you know what? I CAN STILL FUCKING BLIND TYPE ON QWERTY! Because it is used everywhere and everytime I forgot loading keyboard mappers in DOS back in the old days I had to use qwerty. Everytime I boot into linux with a bootcd I need to use qwerty... it's really not that much of a business killer compared to what would happen if you change the whole thing to dvorak. so shut the hell up already, everybody understands that dvorak is more efficient on the long term but here is a few things you just don't seem to get:

1. we don't have any influence on the fucking design anymore! craig and his boys already finalized it. IT'S USELESS SO STFU!

2. you need to understand that the general public will want to have something they can immediately use out of the box with only minor adjustments. learning dvorak does not count for that. the keyboard layout is apparently very important to a lot of people, seeing as you defend dvorak with fierce counterflaming. but still noone I have talked to about handheld gaming has heard of dvorak!

3. guess what: other languages might prefer other layouts. Only because dvorak helps you type faster while writing in English, Russian, or Polyfuckingnesian doesn't mean it also works faster with French or German!

4. Please just give it up already. You like to see everyone else as ignorant and you feel misunderstood but you fail to realize that you are being stubborn and ignorant yourself.

5. Noone stops you from integrating dvorak to the craiginator later on. It might be a great addition. Who knows, maybe it will be a breeze to actually change the keyboards rubber foil or buttons or whatever. Some 3rd party might come up with new layouts for countries the craiginator is being sold to.

Glad that's out of my system. This goddamn keyboard discussion had driven me away from this thread for a few days but now I was just forced to answer.
 
realyst said:
It's been announced it will be QWERTY. If that's enough to put you off on buying it, you have either deeply troubling problems or were not serious in getting it for what it can do anyways, thus aren't worth catering to. If that sounds too blunt: good. 5 pages of "But I like Dvorak" is getting tiring and deserves a bit of a good blunt edge.
You're obviously not that good at reading. I already stated that QWERTY didn't stop me from getting the E62. Oh wait, that was a straw man tactic you were using. Go figure.
 
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Moxie said:
"Because you're french, and france must have it's own version of everything" :) (SECAM, anyone?)
Metric system anyone? ;-)

Migo, seriously, nobody gives a flying fuck about Dvorak, so shut the fuck up.
 
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Squidge said:
Maybe he's not that good with Dvorak or Colemak, so he requires the keys properly labelled so he can do a one finger spiral type :D
I touch type with Dvorak, I don't have a single keyboard with Dvorak labeling, so no. I don't use Colemak, I merely suggested it because it has much of the same benefit as Dvorak but has more similarity in layout to QWERTY.
 
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pleas read my post. And please stop posting... thank you. Can a mod settle this whole issue please? I would've never though that everyone goes crazy over such a trivial topic.
 
xnopasaranx said:
argh! I can't hear this crazy keyboard talk no more. Put a sock in it everyone!!!

In Germany we've got the qwertz layout and it's totally different from the qwerty. We have Umlauts like öäü and weird shit like that. But migo, you know what? I CAN STILL FUCKING BLIND TYPE ON QWERTY!
That's because the umlauts are off to the side, and don't interfere with the rest of the keyboard. QWERTZ just has Z and Y switched otherwise, it's far from being completely different.

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Because it is used everywhere and everytime I forgot loading keyboard mappers in DOS back in the old days I had to use qwerty. Everytime I boot into linux with a bootcd I need to use qwerty... it's really not that much of a business killer compared to what would happen if you change the whole thing to dvorak. so shut the hell up already, everybody understands that dvorak is more efficient on the long term but here is a few things you just don't seem to get:


I'm aware of all that. I've experienced it as well. It's not a problem to use it for a short time, continued use, however, it is.

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1. we don't have any influence on the fucking design anymore! craig and his boys already finalized it. IT'S USELESS SO STFU!



Sei nicht so 'ne Motz Tante. I know that. People were arguing the validity of Dvorak, I responded.

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2. you need to understand that the general public will want to have something they can immediately use out of the box with only minor adjustments. learning dvorak does not count for that.


Graffiti on the Palms proves otherwise. In fact many people still prefer it over current generations of character recognition for pen based input, and that was having to learn a new way of writing letters, on top of cursive and block writing that they already knew.
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the keyboard layout is apparently very important to a lot of people, seeing as you defend dvorak with fierce counterflaming. but still noone I have talked to about handheld gaming has heard of dvorak!


No counterflaming coming from me, you're probably just perceiving it that way because for some reason you're so incensed.

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3. guess what: other languages might prefer other layouts. Only because dvorak helps you type faster while writing in English, Russian, or Polyfuckingnesian doesn't mean it also works faster with French or German!



I speak German. I prefer Dvorak over QWERTY and QWERTZ for typing in German. The all vowel home row does it for any language.

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4. Please just give it up already. You like to see everyone else as ignorant and you feel misunderstood but you fail to realize that you are being stubborn and ignorant yourself.


Stubborn's debatable, ignorant, not at all. Ignorant means unaware of the facts, I'm quite aware of a lot of them in regards to this topic.

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5. Noone stops you from integrating dvorak to the craiginator later on. It might be a great addition. Who knows, maybe it will be a breeze to actually change the keyboards rubber foil or buttons or whatever. Some 3rd party might come up with new layouts for countries the craiginator is being sold to.


I guess one out of five civil responses isn't bad.
 
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I just realized it's turned into thread hijacking.

Migo. Stop. Now. That means. Shut. Up.
 
exactly, the design is finished anyway theres no point arguing over the labeling on the keyboard.
So pleas, finally stop that senseless discussion, and also the flaming...
 
LOL... no it's not Sam as migo speaks German apparently.

I am sooooo excited for any news about the craiginator. Every day right now turns into sheer terror as I am waiting for the legendary letter from the craig department of information ^^. I really really want to know more.

Also I am still waiting for my F200 and my Gp32 BLU to arrive... this week is going to be hell. The thought of going back to Hannover for christmas and missing my parcels is just terrifying. ARGH! Hehe... it feels like being a little boy just before christmas again which is awesome. I missed that feeling for so long, it reminds me of my childhood.

I wonder what devs are coming up with for the new machine. There has been a lot of talk about physics games lately and with an OpenGL ES chip inside the new little gagdet, we might see some even more amazing stuff. If we had a camera, maybe some augmented reality games aswell. Hopefully somebody will take this up and port some drivers for webcams or the likes... god this thing will be magic.
 
So, what do you guys think it will be called? It has to have an "x" in its name, or it would rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Or it could be something else, maybe even a whole word! That would be insane(x), but if they forget an "x" at the beginning or end, I don't know what sort of percussions it would have.
 
Vimacs said:
stop the flaming pleas...
this time i just deleted your posts, next time i get out the hammer!
My last post was not a flame but just plain questions !!!! are you so stupid as to think i really care about keyboard layout !? please REREAD my posts before judging as flames !!! I was never insulting people but pointing out theirs demands were futile. Damn you pissed me off !!!! And ban me if you want, because if there is at least one people i want to insult, it is you for your lack of good judgment !!!

EDIT: A_SN and I are French men. I was just saying it is because he's also a French man he can bet I'm a French man when reading my sentences phrasing. I don't see where there are flames....

EDIT2: ok, I'm calm now. I see your point and you're probably right.
 
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hlide said:
Vimacs said:
stop the flaming pleas...
this time i just deleted your posts, next time i get out the hammer!
My last post was not a flame but just plain questions !!!! are you so stupid as to think i really care about keyboard layout !? please REREAD my posts before judging as flames !!! I was never insulting people but pointing out theirs demands were futile. Damn you pissed me off !!!! And ban me if you want, because if there is at least one people i want to insult, it is you for your lack of good judgement !!!

Oh shit, everything's there, the poor english, perfectly fitting the stereotypical French style, the abuse of exclamation marks, and the necessary arrogance. Vive la France! :(
 
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A_SN said:
Oh shit, everything's there, the poor english, perfectly fitting the stereotypical French style, the abuse of exclamation marks, and the necessary arrogance. Vive la France! :(
The way you despise French people in general is a good hint that you are not an exception as well.

Sorry, Vimacs, i just realized what you meant by flames right now :/ no wonder this is a French specialty :(
 
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I wonder if anything's been sent out yet or if it's just been held up by christmas mail. Every morning I wait eagerly for the mail.
And a few pages back EvilDragon said that they have something they want the donors to see before everyone else, I wonder what that is.
 
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