ekianjo
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They chose indiegogo precisely because they only have a concept on paper. Thats bound to end in disaster again.
GPD Win (x86 Computer / Palmtop)
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SNESFAN
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Again?
The XD was pretty good, that started as a concept on a Chinese Kickstarter.
http://z.jd.com/project/details/16107.html
The XD was pretty good, that started as a concept on a Chinese Kickstarter.
http://z.jd.com/project/details/16107.html
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Well, the XD is kind of a mixed bag for me.
I sold about 50 so far... some had fingerprints on the screen (easy to fix, but shouldn't happen), one had a squeaky nub, one had a scratch on the touchscreen.
Three customers complained about bleeding light, one customer had a failed screen after a week, two want to return it since they're not content with the build quality.
So about 10 out of 50 have some quality issues. What's great is that GPD offers to replace faulty devices, but for a shop, it's still bad... either I have to control each one thoroughly before shipping (though that should be the job of the manufacturer) or I get quite a few returns.
Well, at least I clean the fingerprints before shipping )
I hope that improves with the GPD Win.
The XD is a nice device, I grabbed one for myself as a test, but these things are a bit of a showstopper for shops.
SNESFAN
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I'm insanely pleased with my XD, for the price, it's an amazing value. It's not perfect by any means, but bang for buck it's definitely above par. Compared to anything in its price range with the exception of the nvidia shield, it's tops.
If the GPD WIN maintains the quality of the XD, adds a keyboard and is an x86-64 I'll be happy for $300
If the GPD WIN maintains the quality of the XD, adds a keyboard and is an x86-64 I'll be happy for $300
For $300, yes. But the retail price was mentioned to be $500, which will be the normal price.
For that price, such issues should not happen (unless you are just a bunch of unexperienced people who try to make their first handheld
))If the GPD XD works, it's nice. But stuff like failing screens or squeaky hinge from the beginning should NOT happen.
These units are not the same as yours, they are exceptions - but those exceptions are too many right now.
If 2 units out of 100 have issues, that's normal. But 10 out of 50 is not what a shop wants
fusion_power
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To stay fair, the Pandora had more (quality) issues at the beginning.
... aaaand that's exactly the reason I mentioned that with the small comapny.
And it's a reason we didn't have any distributors... see?
And it's a reason we didn't have any distributors... see?
SNESFAN
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They just responded to my question on there saying they will have 64bit UEFI, so Linux will likely be a thing on this. (Not official Linux port of course)
Also they are confirming the move to the x5-8550
Also they are confirming the move to the x5-8550
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At least one of the things I raised and pushed managed to get a change through. But I did raise that one early in the piece..
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My bet would be that the actual retail price of the GPD Win will be in the region of $350 based on the GPD XD typically being sold at 30%-40% below the recommended retail price. Supply & demand will tell in the end I guess. $350 is still something of a premium price for a Chinese handheld so it will be interesting to see if this relatively high price will lead to improved quality & quality assurance.
If I was thinking of buying a GPD Win then my main concern would be the truly strange decisions that seem to have been made in the concept/initial design phase. Such as making a keyboard to be used with thumb typing not easily accessible to the right thumb & turning off the gaming buttons & DPad when mouse mode is selected.
They do however seem to be willing to listen to their customers so if enough potential buyers voice their concerns about such things then who knows...
Seems like a sensible move as both the Z8500 & Z8550 retail at $23 what will be very interesting to see is how they deal with the heat generated from a SOC running at 2.4GHz in a small handheld.
SNESFAN
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Running most of the time at a max of 1.44Ghz and the 14nm process should help keep it cooler than other comparable things
Well, that's something hard to tell and pretty weird.
Many people on Dingoonity actually told them with the first release how to improve the keyboard, but then in January someone was told that a change is not possible as the PCBs are already being created.
Now on IndieGogo they seem to tell people they'll think about it... so I don't know, do they listen or not?
Only time will tell, but it sure is weird right now.
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Great news!
fusion_power
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Does not change the past.
Anf for the future, if GPD is capable to learn, they may improve their QC. Stil la risky area when dealing with chinese companies but let's hope the best.By the way, what's the retail price of the OMAP5? I have no comparison there.
32 bit UEFI isn't a problem for linux, it's just unsupported and require additional steps to install bootloader. The problems are in drivers as usual. While 3d should work, wi-fi,sound, touchscreen and even sd card may not depending on components GPD will use.
64 bit UEFI means windows will also be 64 bit that is good.
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SNESFAN
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Preaching to the choir brother, I said the exact same thing a few pages back.
Edit: some people were questioning the existence of UEFI, others said problems if 32 bit. I was more or less calming both concerns in one statement.
Edit: some people were questioning the existence of UEFI, others said problems if 32 bit. I was more or less calming both concerns in one statement.
SNESFAN
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I haven't ran across a single system I couldn't disable secure boot as a gui option and boot my own OS from external
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I wasn't speaking about SecureBoot, that mostly should be disabled (with also the fastboot) because many Linux distro doesn't support it, I was referring to the fact that many uefi firmwares does not search for different configurations except for the one called "boot" or "windows"...
in these cases, you are able to start a Lunix distro overwriting one of those configurations with the proper one, and you can also make grub start from it, and then you can also put in grub a choice for "Linux/Windows", but all runs well if you only boot Linux... because at the time you choose from grub to boot Windows, Windows will overwrite that configuration... and at the next boot grub is gone....
SNESFAN
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Many? Can you give a good example model? I'm curious, I do a lot of this type of thing for my job and I've not once ran across a single model I couldn't rip out the default OS and sideload our custom made one into.
Most of the time the UEFI is looking for a EFI compliant binary in the first partition of whatever mass storeage as the boot loader. Normally in a directory named boot or efi or some combination of the two
EDIT: I think I know what your saying, dual booting Windows doesn't play well with Linux in a UEFI setup? This I don't know for certain. We only load a single OS as a replacement. Sometimes Windows, sometimes Linux depending on the customer.
Edit2: Windows does have a hidden partition for its EFI boot loader, possibly that is a problem you ran into?
Most of the time the UEFI is looking for a EFI compliant binary in the first partition of whatever mass storeage as the boot loader. Normally in a directory named boot or efi or some combination of the two
EDIT: I think I know what your saying, dual booting Windows doesn't play well with Linux in a UEFI setup? This I don't know for certain. We only load a single OS as a replacement. Sometimes Windows, sometimes Linux depending on the customer.
Edit2: Windows does have a hidden partition for its EFI boot loader, possibly that is a problem you ran into?
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