COVID-19 / Coronavirus Pandemic

[levi]

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...is what they repeat over and over until you believe it... in fact the opposite might be true...

I don't speak (double) dutch, but from what I can make out that key says 'numbers per 100,000 inhabitants' and the colour index starts 'no reports'. I guess that's showing the prevalence of cases of covid-19 in the population, but it could be reports on vaccination numbers or anything else really.

But if I'm right, that doesn't contradict what matzesu said; the vaccines don't stop you getting the virus, that's never been what the vaccines are for. They're designed to save your life, such that when you catch the disease, you'll still be a little off colour because it's a terrible disease, but you won't get ill enough to need hospitalisation, and you're unlikely to get long covid symptoms.

 

[wdt]

>I guess we don't have that because most wouldn't be bothered to get a vaccine just to help others.
Did you forget the /sarc tag?
Well, everyone is a bit different, so this is probably only partly true, but NOT a small %
As we learn more, things like the Diamond princess become clearer
It seems that some (~20-30%) have innate resistance, don't even make antibodies
It seems that the not-a-vax messes that up, so now, most democratically, they can get it
Isn't that great /sarc

 

[netcat]

Holland

So what happened in October around the inflection point?

 

[netcat]

vaccines don't stop you getting the virus, that's never been what the vaccines are for. They're designed to save your life

They're now saying that's never what they were for, but of course they initially hoped they would "cure" it. Vaccines are trial & error, black-box, hack & see type product. Just another other form of empirical science.

 

[matzesu]

This was my intention: Your Imunesystem dosnt know the Virus, so its needs help by getting a hint how its looks..
Even whit 2 or 3 Shots, i wouldnt want to get this disease (just like whit other diseases..)..

 

[pyrat]

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Holland

So what happened in October around the inflection point?

I can't make sense of the numbers without more info. Vaccines seem to prevent a lot of deaths but not infections.
What restrictions were there when ? Did they reopen in october ? What could people do in october 2020 and what in october 2021 ?
Big events ? Indoor restauration ? travel ? etc. With that information one might end up discovering that vaccination passports make no sense.

 

[netcat]

Relentless freedom advocates might say autumn happened.
Maybe people susceptibility waxes & wanes in unknown ways?
But what i'm trying to do (as usual) is gauge the likelyhood of stricter measures (that affect me)

 

[pyrat]

I haven't read it yet (I'll likely not understand it), but this unedited paper in Nature sounds promising.

The researchers looked at health care workers at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Some had natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Despite high exposure (very often to low concentrations due to protective equipment?), they eradicated the virus before it could be detected in weekly screenings. That was with early variants of the virus, less infectious that the current ones.
Apparently they had T-cells reacting to generic coronaviruses that did not target the Spike protein, but the polimerases that the virus uses early in replication. Those T-cells may have specialised themselves and would eat away the first SARS-CoV-2 infected cells and stop the virus before it had completed copies of itself.
They suggest vaccines targeting those polimerases in addition to the spike protein might maybe prevent infection (and spread?) from more variants. Further study needed, as always.

 

[Phlyra]

I haven't read it yet (I'll likely not understand it), but this unedited paper in Nature sounds promising.

The researchers looked at health care workers at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Some had natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Despite high exposure (very often to low concentrations due to protective equipment?), they eradicated the virus before it could be detected in weekly screenings. That was with early variants of the virus, less infectious that the current ones.
Apparently they had T-cells reacting to generic coronaviruses that did not target the Spike protein, but the polimerases that the virus uses early in replication. Those T-cells may have specialised themselves and would eat away the first SARS-CoV-2 infected cells and stop the virus before it had completed copies of itself.
They suggest vaccines targeting those polimerases in addition to the spike protein might maybe prevent infection (and spread?) from more variants. Further study needed, as always.

NHS staff had woefully - criminally - inadequate PPE and were regularly exposed to high dose rates.

 

[pyrat]

NHS staff had woefully - criminally - inadequate PPE and were regularly exposed to high dose rates.

Sorry about that.
Maybe I misinterpreted. The original text was:

The differential biasing of T-cells towards early expressed non-structural SARS-CoV-2 proteins in HCW not seroconverting may reflect repetitive occupational exposure to very low viral inocula, reported to drive the induction of non-structural T-cells in HIV, SIV and HBV26,37,38.

We have described induction of innate and cellular immunity with-out seroconversion, highlighting a subset of individuals where risk of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection and immunogenicity of vaccines should be specifically assessed. The HCW we studied were exposed to Wuhan Hu-1 and had partial protection from PPE; it remains to be seen whether abortive infections can occur upon exposure to more infectious vari-ants of concern, or in the presence of vaccine-induced immunity.

I may have drawn too many conclusions from that. In any case I never said all NHS staff had sufficient protection. Maybe natural immunity only developed in those who had the chance of wearing PPE.
I don't claim to know how things were in any hospital or ambulatory and I don't intend to justify those things.
Anyway thanks a lot to all the abnegated health care workers wordlwide.

 

[wdt]

Despite decades of trying, there has NEVER been a vaccine for 'colds'
I have been 'aware' of mrna for ~10 yr, for agricultural purposes
It's always been the same, a big press release, then....crickets
You wouldn't (normally) expect anything before a years (and more)trials
So, did they do this for 'charity' science, a few million $....??
Clearly, it didn't work, one or combination of.... too dangerous, ineffective, too costly
Gossip was 1 & 3
You know, when you look at the legal history of these companies,
you wouldn't buy pot off the street from them
Do you think they have turned over a new leaf,??? not bloody likely
I am really, sincerely hope that the "death jab" doesn't kill too many
And all this for something as lethal as a bad flu season !!!!!

 

[JDTAY]

I'm already on my third death jab. You know how they used to keep canaries in mines? I'll try to keep checking in here.

 

[netcat]

I was thinking about you JDTAY, while I was on valium and wishing it were an opiod (or a prostitute). Wadup dude!

 

[JDTAY]

Speaking of canaries, North Carolina just posted a 7.8% COVID-19 test positivity rate today. That number this time last week was 5.5%. It begins.

 

[TeDaDeS]

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Holland

So what happened in October around the inflection point?

Wasn't that the period where the Netherlands introduced the vaccine passport and vaccinated people where allowed to mingle in bars and restaurants again?

They're now saying that's never what they were for, but of course they initially hoped they would "cure" it. Vaccines are trial & error, black-box, hack & see type product. Just another other form of empirical science.

My expectation was that a vaccine should make you immune, but probably all existing vaccines have been created and tweaked over many years.
The concept of boosters isn't new but for the current ones it appears that it's not clear how many should be used to really get immune for a longer period.

"The presence of a vaccine in the body causes the immune system to produce antibodies against the invading antigens. Usually, it takes more than one vaccine to attain a full response. Most are done in a series of vaccines that are given at specific intervals of time. Some, such as tetanus, may need to redone periodically to maintain immunity (a booster)."
Pre-covid article / Source: https://www.winchesterhospital.org/health-library/article?id=222982

 

[FBnil]

So what happened in October around the inflection point?

They started vaxxing and testing kids 12 and up... more test... more positive cases found.

Post automatically merged: Nov 16, 2021

I'm already on my third death jab. You know how they used to keep canaries in mines? I'll try to keep checking in here.

Thanks dude, appreciated to have eyes over the big river, uh, ocean...

 

[TeDaDeS]

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Holland

So what happened in October around the inflection point?

Also: what happened in the rest of Europe at this period?

An article from LA-times about some CDC comments:
"Vaccines have been quite effective at preventing cases of COVID-19 that lead to severe illness and death, but none has proved reliable at blocking transmission of the virus, Jones noted. Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months. The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread."
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"In addition, herd-immunity calculations presume that when people gain immunity, they remain immune for a known period of time. But it’s become clear that neither vaccination nor natural infection confers lasting protection. Booster shots or a “breakthrough” case might, but for how long is still unknown."
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"With just 58.5% of all Americans fully vaccinated, “we do need to increase” the uptake of COVID-19 shots, said Brooks, chief medical officer of Watts Healthcare in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, he said, Jones’ unexpected admission “almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.”"
Source: https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...ndemic-goals-away-from-reaching-herd-immunity

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

...is what they repeat over and over until you believe it... in fact the opposite might be true...

Where did those stats come from?

 

[λ the β-Redex Reducer]

I'm already on my third death jab. You know how they used to keep canaries in mines? I'll try to keep checking in here.

Then I am a canary for the unvaccinated. Let's see how long it takes for covid-19 to put this sickly unvaccinated fruitarian in the hospital. My bet is on 80+ years.

 

[netcat]

Fruitarian? Let me guess, you think that's healthy.