COVID-19 / Coronavirus Pandemic


pyrat

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Deaths are overblown. Hospitals literally get paid to report a high amount of CoViD-19 deaths and they may use their own judgement to decide when a death is CoViD-19. There are many other tricks, some sources even report all deaths that occured within 30 days of someone having CoViD-19 as being caused by CoViD-19. No wonder that with such tricks you get a high amount of deaths. Politics has often influenced science and statistics and this is no exception.
That can happen somewhere, specially in the USA but not only. But I've also seen cases of COVID-19 case being underreported for political reasons (negationists, demagogues that didn't have a health system able to cope and opted instead to sell "freedom" and turn their voters to virus feedstock). There are also deaths from others pathologies that could have been avoided if hospitals weren't overwhelmed with COVID-19.

The truth is that CoViD-19 will never be declared gone as long as the governments can use it as an excuse to take away our freedom. As long as people are willing to give up freedom for safety, the news will never declare you to be safe. Why would they? Virtually all MSM news is controlled by governments and they are fine with gaining more power.
The governments were doing exactly that before COVID-19 and didn't need any new excuses. They will keep doing that when (if?) COVID-19 ever ends. COVID-19 is only painting them as incompetent, with some exceptions. I think not even Netanyahu got away with selling Israel clinical records to pose as COVID-19 saviour (but I'm not well informed there and don't know how would he have fared otherwise). In face of COVID-19 the governments have not stopped their games and put to work, they've just kept maneuvering and trying to use any news in their favour, but that does not mean that they needed, benefitted or planned COVID-19, neither as weapon nor farce.

And of all of those CoViD-19 is the only one that needs a huge marketing campaign in order to have people even notice it. A real disaster does not have to be discussed like this, people all believe in it when it happens because they see people dying and suffering around them. People are skeptical of CoViD-19 because they see empty hospitals, no one around them getting unusual sicknesses (the usual diseases getting renamed to CoViD-19 does happen, though, btw flu season seems to have skipped a year where I live), and the government implementing non-sensical rules and gaining a lot of power from all of it.
This is not fact based. Most people believe in COVID-19 because they know patients and dead, they see what happens around themselves. But if you believe any fact is false you can believe anything. I mean, what would you need to prove you wrong ? If you deny
the deaths and disease is from CoVID-19 because you say so you will simply not believe there's a pandemic both when there is and where there isn't. Why should I believe you more than I believe John Hopkins, or some government ? The empty hospital may just be that there's no public health care and many people can't pay medical bills (like Leon Lederman from the absurdism thread), not that people isn't dying. Where hospitals are paid by taxes they are more fully used (and there're too few of them).

In addition to that a lot of people (me included) already knew years in advance that something like the CoViD-19 regime would happen. This dystopian regime did not come out of the blue. No one knew what the fictional enemy would be, but many even knew that a fictional enemy for which all countries supposedly would need to work together and impose authoritarian regimes would be made-up. And they had good reason to think so too. Unfortunately anyone who's only source of information was the MSM has been living with blinders on and is surprised by what is happening right now.
The authoritarian regime was already there. The freedom or movement or other stuff that has changed with COVID-19 was not that important to the powers that be. They were doing great selling their fantasies of a functioning economy to the masses.
They had very little opposition or dissent and completely toothless. Those kind of people want control over people, they don't want to jail everyone generally. They want to jail dissenters and have slaves going to and fro as they say. Having everyone closed
at home is very little gratifying for an autocrat. It's something they may force if they feel in danger, but they weren't in danger. On the contrary, COVID-19 has only made too evident for their taste that their economic system was useless. That's why in most places
they don't do like New Zealand, they impose as little restrictions as they can to try to make believe as long as possible that life is almost normal, even if they pay that with more deaths and suffering of other people they would rather use as slaves.

Alas, I can do nothing to keep your health safe. I keep my health safe, and if you want your health to be as safe as mine then you will have to take responsibility for your health like I do for mine. No matter how many masks people wear, how many rights they surrender, how many lose their livelihood, or how many are tortured in isolation; it will not improve your health and neither will it make you safe. Quite the contrary, the authoritarian dystopia that is on the doorstep right now will significantly reduce your well-being. Those who sacrifice freedom for safety will have neither, same as always.
Thank you. I think I'll go out (with my mask on) and do some sport. I spend too long in front of screens and it's not worth it.
 

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Some swabs are sterilized with EO (the carcinogenic Ethylene Oxide)
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The empty hospital may just be that there's no public health care and many people can't pay medical bills
Empty hospital footage I've seen also from UK and Netherlands. So it's not that. And the hospitals were open, so it's not that either.

Have you smelled people smoking? Well, at what distance could you smell them? What if they are covid carriers? Would you inhale the smoke together with their virus?
 
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Have you smelled people smoking? Well, at what distance could you smell them? What if they are covid carriers? Would you inhale the smoke together with their virus?
Mmm... I haven't smelled cigarrette smoke in a long time now. I hadn't realised. Is that because I wear masks or because people don't smoke so much or because of social distancing ? Or just my bad memory.., Not that I ever was gut at smelling things, but cigarrette smoke had me often disgusted.
 

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I suspect it's more because people now have to go outside to smoke, assuming you don't live with one. In the open air there's often far more air movement that blows the smoke in a specific direction and also dilutes it much more rapidly.
 

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It's not open source in as much as I understand what the situation is and what "open-source" may mean in this context.
Sort of should be public because it's patented. That's theory, enablement is a legal requirement but patent offices are jokes.
Looks like the Moderna vaccine has been sequenced and published in github, for what it's worth.
 

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I wonder how often this really happens. Seems like they give no information besides the very vague "rare". How rare is "rare"? One in a hundred? One in 25? One in thousand?
 

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I wonder how often this really happens. Seems like they give no information besides the very vague "rare". How rare is "rare"? One in a hundred? One in 25? One in thousand?
It's like most news. There's like some cultural fear of maths or something. Journalists should ask for meaningful numbers, but they just collect anecdotes. I'm not against an illustrative anecdote, but the story is in the numbers. In COVID-19 matters and in many others.
 

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I had heard about different strains of SARS-CoV-2 recombining. Now they've mixed up the J&J and AZ vaccines (by mistake). 15 million doses from Baltimore to the dust bin :(
 
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Hospitalizations have gone up the last four days in my state. Is that enough to establish a trend? Not sure.

There won't be another update until Monday, not only because they've stopped weekend updates, but also because they decided this Friday would be a good Friday to skip an update.
 

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Hospitalizations have gone up the last four days in my state. Is that enough to establish a trend? Not sure.
Read that and extrapolate to your covid-nasdac info. Less is more. Rather, listen to ages old rhythms. The ones that tell you that when it gets warmer, coronavirii go into hibernation. However, keep looking at the data, because rhythms can be broken by... factors. One could be: In the spring one dresses for summer, but it's actually too cold for that, so you get sick. Or: Vaccinated people just walk around without a care, and they become asymptomatic carriers, infecting un-vaccinated people. Or: New mutation. Or: Our bodies, tired from fighting disease, are exhausted and can contract sickness more easily. You can't see these things on a microscopic level, you need to back up and see the big picture.

In the Netherlands, testing went to the roof, as high as before Xmas. And because of that, we have more positive cases but the hospitalizations are low and getting lower.
And it's because people are getting forced to test (for example Children/teenagers: if one positive case in the family, then all children+teacher need to go into quarantene, and test themselves twice. So that raises the stats). And yes, if you test positive twice, you'll raise the stats twice (once for each day you tested). We now have 3.5 covid patients per Dutch hospital.
 
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