Did you miss me?
I have to admit - I had some annoying issues happen in my "normal" life (bike stolen, smartphone broken, etc.), so I was pretty much absent from the boards and also twitter.
That should now change again!
I'll try to resurrect my Twitter with even more Micro-Pyra-News than before, and of course, have more information for you more often here on the boards as well.
Okay, time to start with the news...
1. Remaining work for the Mainboard
After Nikolaus came back from holidays, he resumed working on the last fixes for the mainboard.
He will modify an existing one with all the proposed fixes and will test them right away.
Most of them have already been implemented and quick tests assume these work fine.
He'll continue to work on those during this week and I'll let you know about the results (quick news via Twitter this time).
The mainboard dummy for measuring and testing the Wifi antenna is already in the hands of the RF expert.
He didn't give us a date yet when he'll find the time to do that, but he tries to work on it as soon as possible.
So the mainboard is almost ready now.
2. The 4GB RAM issue
Well, I had hoped to tell you that's all fixed now.
That's on top of my personal wishlist, as this is the issue that really pulls me down...
It's really demotivating, but don't worry: The last thing I'll do is give up!
We managed to resurrect the Pandora, so we'll manage to fix this as well!
And we have some good ideas what the issue is.
We've tried quite a few things in the last week, and here is what we know:
Tony's Pyra works with 4GB RAM, if he powers it with at least 1.39V or if he disables DLL (then it also works with 1.35V)
Usually, it should work worse with DLL disabled - so this is a bit weird.
He provided patches - but those didn't work for others (it's still unstable for them).
However, he uses his own compiled U-Boot and bootloader - so it could very well be he's got some other different settings we didn't think of.
To confirm whether that's the case or not, I'll try his compiled binaries on multiple Pyra 4GB RAM boards later tonight. I'll make sure to update you here on the boards and on Twitter about the result!
But why does the 2GB RAM board work whereas the 4GB might not?
There's an easy answer:
Juliano simulated the noise and voltage drops of the VDDR3L ground plane (which is the power supply of the RAM chips).
The noise is too high compared to the allowed value in the datasheet and the voltage drops too much on some balls.
This is not necessarily a problem, as all chips have tolerances and the values provided in datasheets ENSURE that everything will work fine, so they have even higher tolerances here.
The 2GB RAM chips are so-called single-rank chips, which means they consist of four 512MB chips.
The 4GB RAM chips are dual-rank chips: each chip has one 512MB chip stacked on top of a 512MB chip - so these are basically eight 512MB chips.
These, of course, need more power than the 2GB RAM version.
All 2GB RAM boards work reliable.
As mentioned, Tony's Pyra works with 4GB RAM, which means: we're not THAT far off!
This means that the CPU boards probably just need a BIT of enhancement (by using capacitors, some more vias for the VDDR3L ground plane and other changes).
This is something Nikolaus needs to check: What is possible in our already pretty much cramped setup?
Or maybe we CAN get the 4GB RAM to work without a hardware fix - that's something we'll know tonight when I tested the boards!
There's also nother possible solution:
Nikolaus has reworked two CPU boards. One with different 2GB RAM chips (for comparison), one with different 4GB RAM chips.
If these 4GB RAM chips have a higher tolerance, they simply work. More information about that when this has been properly tested.
Well, let's assume for now the 4GB RAM needs a hardware change on the CPU board:
Of course, Option a) is preferred (even though it means a lot more work for me) and production will start earlier, but if not enough people are willing to switch to 2GB, Option b) would be the better one.
The only real bummer would be if we can't find the space to fit more capacitors onto the CPU board... in this case we'd have to try to sell the 4GB Memory chips we already have on stock (worth a whopping 23,000 EUR), but we hope that won't happen.
I guess you can imagine how much that issue is weighing on my mind. But there are multiple options for us, it's not a dead-end for the Pyra.
We can also get help from a company that the memory distributor suggested to us. They have the possibility to do live-measurements with the memory while the system is running. That company isn't located too far from us, so in worst case, we can find out more details what's going on with their help.
That would cost quite a bit though, so let's first see if Nikolaus can improve the design enough. We can easily test that thanks to Julianos simulations!
Speaking of costs...
3. What's the financial situation?
If you followed the newsposts, you probably can imagine that these issues have added quite a lot to the development costs. And yes, these have cost more than I ever had planned.
However, we don't have any financial problems - because my shop is growing more and more popular and the profit has increased quite a lot - which is great!
I'm still keeping my wage as low as possible (I'm earning 690 EUR per month, in case you're interested) to make sure as much money as possible is available for the Pyra.
The production of the first 550 Pyras (first production run) has already been fully paid. This includes the full PCB production including all needed parts.
We already own 3000 batteries and 1500 LCDs as well as 10,000 nubs.
We still have more 100k EUR on our bank account (which is more than enough to start the production of the next 550 Pyras) and the shop is making a profit of about 8000 - 10,000 EUR per month.
So yes, unless there's a sudden mass cancellation (which I certainly don't hope!), the development and production is safe.
We won't give up as long as you don't give up on us! Promise!
4. What's the status on the cases?
I'm getting more information on those tomorrow.
My contact will be visiting the companies in Greece and checks on the status.
So yeah, expect another newspost within the next two days
Well, I hope todays newspost didn't disappoint you too much.
I know you had hoped the 4GB RAM are working now - I had hoped the same.
But the most important thing is that we've not hit a wall but have different options to proceed.
We can do it! And yes, if ANYONE wants the Pyra to be finished as soon as possible, it's me (because it's all really stressful).
Thanks as usual for your support.
Now off to test the 4GB RAM boards I've got here. I'll report back later!
I have to admit - I had some annoying issues happen in my "normal" life (bike stolen, smartphone broken, etc.), so I was pretty much absent from the boards and also twitter.
That should now change again!
I'll try to resurrect my Twitter with even more Micro-Pyra-News than before, and of course, have more information for you more often here on the boards as well.
Okay, time to start with the news...
1. Remaining work for the Mainboard
After Nikolaus came back from holidays, he resumed working on the last fixes for the mainboard.
He will modify an existing one with all the proposed fixes and will test them right away.
Most of them have already been implemented and quick tests assume these work fine.
He'll continue to work on those during this week and I'll let you know about the results (quick news via Twitter this time).
The mainboard dummy for measuring and testing the Wifi antenna is already in the hands of the RF expert.
He didn't give us a date yet when he'll find the time to do that, but he tries to work on it as soon as possible.
So the mainboard is almost ready now.
2. The 4GB RAM issue
Well, I had hoped to tell you that's all fixed now.
That's on top of my personal wishlist, as this is the issue that really pulls me down...
It's really demotivating, but don't worry: The last thing I'll do is give up!
We managed to resurrect the Pandora, so we'll manage to fix this as well!
And we have some good ideas what the issue is.
We've tried quite a few things in the last week, and here is what we know:
Tony's Pyra works with 4GB RAM, if he powers it with at least 1.39V or if he disables DLL (then it also works with 1.35V)
Usually, it should work worse with DLL disabled - so this is a bit weird.
He provided patches - but those didn't work for others (it's still unstable for them).
However, he uses his own compiled U-Boot and bootloader - so it could very well be he's got some other different settings we didn't think of.
To confirm whether that's the case or not, I'll try his compiled binaries on multiple Pyra 4GB RAM boards later tonight. I'll make sure to update you here on the boards and on Twitter about the result!
But why does the 2GB RAM board work whereas the 4GB might not?
There's an easy answer:
Juliano simulated the noise and voltage drops of the VDDR3L ground plane (which is the power supply of the RAM chips).
The noise is too high compared to the allowed value in the datasheet and the voltage drops too much on some balls.
This is not necessarily a problem, as all chips have tolerances and the values provided in datasheets ENSURE that everything will work fine, so they have even higher tolerances here.
The 2GB RAM chips are so-called single-rank chips, which means they consist of four 512MB chips.
The 4GB RAM chips are dual-rank chips: each chip has one 512MB chip stacked on top of a 512MB chip - so these are basically eight 512MB chips.
These, of course, need more power than the 2GB RAM version.
All 2GB RAM boards work reliable.
As mentioned, Tony's Pyra works with 4GB RAM, which means: we're not THAT far off!
This means that the CPU boards probably just need a BIT of enhancement (by using capacitors, some more vias for the VDDR3L ground plane and other changes).
This is something Nikolaus needs to check: What is possible in our already pretty much cramped setup?
Or maybe we CAN get the 4GB RAM to work without a hardware fix - that's something we'll know tonight when I tested the boards!
There's also nother possible solution:
Nikolaus has reworked two CPU boards. One with different 2GB RAM chips (for comparison), one with different 4GB RAM chips.
If these 4GB RAM chips have a higher tolerance, they simply work. More information about that when this has been properly tested.
Well, let's assume for now the 4GB RAM needs a hardware change on the CPU board:
- a) Ask all preorderers whether they would be okay switching to 2GB versions. If at least 400 want to do that, we can produce those with the boards we already have lying at GC while we can work on improving the design and produce 4GB later on. As a little compensation, I'd offer the new 4GB boards to everyone who agreed to get the 2GB version for production cost price. We still plan to produce a stationary motherboard - so you could use the old CPU board to power this one.
- b) Sell the existing bare CPU boards as keychains (17 EUR each) and improve the design. This would cover the costs for the already produced CPU boards and we could deliver 4GB RAM boards to everyone.
Of course, Option a) is preferred (even though it means a lot more work for me) and production will start earlier, but if not enough people are willing to switch to 2GB, Option b) would be the better one.
The only real bummer would be if we can't find the space to fit more capacitors onto the CPU board... in this case we'd have to try to sell the 4GB Memory chips we already have on stock (worth a whopping 23,000 EUR), but we hope that won't happen.
I guess you can imagine how much that issue is weighing on my mind. But there are multiple options for us, it's not a dead-end for the Pyra.
We can also get help from a company that the memory distributor suggested to us. They have the possibility to do live-measurements with the memory while the system is running. That company isn't located too far from us, so in worst case, we can find out more details what's going on with their help.
That would cost quite a bit though, so let's first see if Nikolaus can improve the design enough. We can easily test that thanks to Julianos simulations!
Speaking of costs...
3. What's the financial situation?
If you followed the newsposts, you probably can imagine that these issues have added quite a lot to the development costs. And yes, these have cost more than I ever had planned.
However, we don't have any financial problems - because my shop is growing more and more popular and the profit has increased quite a lot - which is great!
I'm still keeping my wage as low as possible (I'm earning 690 EUR per month, in case you're interested) to make sure as much money as possible is available for the Pyra.
The production of the first 550 Pyras (first production run) has already been fully paid. This includes the full PCB production including all needed parts.
We already own 3000 batteries and 1500 LCDs as well as 10,000 nubs.
We still have more 100k EUR on our bank account (which is more than enough to start the production of the next 550 Pyras) and the shop is making a profit of about 8000 - 10,000 EUR per month.
So yes, unless there's a sudden mass cancellation (which I certainly don't hope!), the development and production is safe.
We won't give up as long as you don't give up on us! Promise!
4. What's the status on the cases?
I'm getting more information on those tomorrow.
My contact will be visiting the companies in Greece and checks on the status.
So yeah, expect another newspost within the next two days
Well, I hope todays newspost didn't disappoint you too much.
I know you had hoped the 4GB RAM are working now - I had hoped the same.
But the most important thing is that we've not hit a wall but have different options to proceed.
We can do it! And yes, if ANYONE wants the Pyra to be finished as soon as possible, it's me (because it's all really stressful).
Thanks as usual for your support.
Now off to test the 4GB RAM boards I've got here. I'll report back later!
