alterdimension said:
I wasn't aware of that. Still, its still better than china or russia who have no rights to begin with, a rulthless ex kgb war mongerer for a leader, or a dictatorship that caused people to mow down homes for the building of the olympic stadium. We complain alot about our country but there are lots of people in third world countries or under opression that wish they could live in the good ole united states. Lets no be shortsided or complain too much. There are worse places in the world than this country.
Well there are worse places but we are headed the wrong direction. How soon before we become like China? Remember Rome? It destroyed itself from the inside. We are doing that now.
There are also much better places. Europe and Asia is kicking the US's ass. They are leading in science, healthcare, education, technology, industry, etc.
"We used to be a contendah"
Now all of our money and resources go to a bogus occupation in Iraq, to bail out greedy bastards on Wall street, to the military industrial complex (Haliburton, KBR, Bechtel etc) and for tax breaks for the rich and oil companies. I hate to sound like an ad, but we really do need change, and soon.
jmetal88 said:
I have completely stopped caring about politics. I was mildly interested for a while, but I'm not really any more. I don't think I'll register to vote any time soon. I just wish there were an easier way to immigrate to Canada, legally that is. I only live 4 hours away from Winnipeg, so it wouldn't be that difficult physically.
I know how you feel. I hate politics. I don't want to care. It is a big waste of time following all of this crap. But now considering what is going on we almost HAVE to pay attention and care and VOTE. I really feel this could be the most important election in the history of the US.
Republicans are no longer "conservative" (the old Republican party had some great presidents), the party has been taken over by the neoconservative movement. A good article below by a TRUE conservative:
http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm...6A3EF81822D9F8E
If the neocons retain control, I think it is over for democracy here as we know it.
I have been a republican for 20 years, but you can rest assured I won't be voting for McCain-Palin. The Neocons have destroyed the GOP. Bush is by far the worst president in my lifetime and probably of the entire 20th century. The Bush's are rotten people. Prescott Bush was supplying the Germans with additives for their oil for their planes in WW2 and was charged with the trading with the enemy act. Bush sr was a lame duck president, but it took his son to really fuck things up. Well, much of the credit goes to Cheney. I don't think Obama is going to undo any of the damage that Bush has done, particularly in the area of civil rights. The police now have far too much power. They get away with just about everything they do, even with video taped evidence. You would think with youtube being filled with videos of police brutality that police departments would be being super cautious. It's the exact opposite. Anyone watch COPS lately? The police violence they show is outrageous and that's the stuff they let them show. Imagine what gets cut. Besides this, America is heading straight into a brick wall financially. They even have a new money system set up for when the dollar falls. It's called the Amero. There's even a wikipedia page on it. A proposed new money for the US, Mexico and Canada which they are trying to bring together under 1 government. Bush has signed executive orders allowing him or any future president to suspend elections and take dictatorial powers over the US. There is another one allowing you to be put on a work detail and sent anywhere in the US against your will. You can now be held without charge or council indefinitely (for life). There are FEMA detention camps all over the US, I'm not 100% sure on this one, but the evidence seems to point that way.
To take the attitude that "hey there are worse places we could be", or "It is so much worse in [insert country here]" is crazy. We have a constitution which is supposed to restrain government and secure civil liberties for the people and it is being undermined. We can no longer ask for redress from the government as was shown in the petition for redress in reference to the IRS and the We The People foundation, who simply want to be show the law saying you have to pay a tax on your labor. The law doesn't exist and so the supreme court will not hear the people's request for redress. You can read more about that on the We The People's website. If you have freedoms that you can't invoke, then what good are they? Even first amendment rights are being stomped on. Also, there is no longer any "RIGHT" to privacy. If the government can wiretap your phone, residence, vehicle. business, email or any other form of communication without a court order, then do you have any right to privacy? No, you have privacy when they don't feel like listening. Up until the Bush administration, if the gov tapped your phone without a warrant, they couldn't introduce it as evidence in a trial, so you really did have privacy, because your rights could be invoked. Now you can't invoke the right, it's gone. If they can take your gun at any time, do you have the RIGHT to have it? Nope! Excessive bail and fines were gone years ago.
We used to be the most free country in the world. People risked everything they had to come here and get a fresh start in the land of the free and opportunity. Think about it, people were willing to leave their family, friends and everything they had to come to America, so strong was the promise. Now, only someone from a 3rd world country would want to come here. I personally want to leave, but ties to my family are too strong. It may be better than China, but we've fallen a long, long way.
Chris
alterdimension said:
Chip said:
alterdimension said:
I wasn't aware of that. Still, its still better than china or russia who have no rights to begin with, a rulthless ex kgb war mongerer for a leader, or a dictatorship that caused people to mow down homes for the building of the olympic stadium. We complain alot about our country but there are lots of people in third world countries or under opression that wish they could live in the good ole united states. Lets no be shortsided or complain too much. There are worse places in the world than this country.
That is the laziest excuse I've ever heard. If I smack my girlfriend around and give her a black eye, is it all OK because my neighbor hit his wife with a wrench and broke her jaw? Of course not!
Our country has a problem. You say can "Hey, other countries have it worse", but that doesn't make our problem go away. The only thing that will make the problem go away is if people vote out the control freaks who caused it in the first place.
What I said is not lame. Sure this place has problems but yelling about it wont fix a thing.
classy, real real classy <_<
I don't want to sound rude, but yes it is. Being content because other people have it worse off is a formula for disaster. So what, you wait until we are China before doing anything about it? By then it's too late.
Chris
