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[WizardStan]

Yikes! That is not good. What a shame too, I like what KSP is doing for getting people enthusiastic about space.

I literally just got it a week or two ago, too. Was looking forward to playing it. Hmm...

edit: yeesh, I've been away for 4 days and I finally get back online to check my email and I've got several "Updates to our privacy policy" messages.
This feels very not-coincidence like. Does anyone know of anything that happened?

 

[Klumpen]

I literally just got it a week or two ago, too. Was looking forward to playing it. Hmm...

edit: yeesh, I've been away for 4 days and I finally get back online to check my email and I've got several "Updates to our privacy policy" messages.
This feels very not-coincidence like. Does anyone know of anything that happened?

It's the same EULA as in take2games' site privacy
https://www.take2games.com/privacy/
Last Updated February 20, 2018
Squad announced on May 31st, 2017 that Kerbal Space Program had been bought by Take-Two Interactive.
The EULA is the same at the 2k games like the Mafia series, XCOM games, Borderlands games etc...
I don't have Rockstar games, but I guess it is the same.

 

[ptitSeb]

It's the same EULA as in take2games' site privacy
https://www.take2games.com/privacy/
Last Updated February 20, 2018
Squad announced on May 31st, 2017 that Kerbal Space Program had been bought by Take-Two Interactive.
The EULA is the same at the 2k games like the Mafia series, XCOM games, Borderlands games etc...
I don't have Rockstar games, but I guess it is the same.

The Borderlands and Borderlands 2 EULA seems to date from January 22nd 2018, and I haven't seen any spyware stuff as in the one from Kerbal.

 

[WizardStan]

Squad announced on May 31st, 2017 that Kerbal Space Program had been bought by Take-Two Interactive.

So it is just a coincidence that 5 different things I'm a part of (games, websites, my bank) all updated their privacy policies within a 24 hour window of each other? Something don't feel right, I'm missing something.

 

[Djoga'Ro]

@WizardStan New regulations to meet?

 

[WizardStan]

That's what I'm wondering. What changed over the weekend? And is this them trying to capitalize on relaxed requirements or rush to meet new ones?

 

[FBnil]

@Djoga'Ro @WizardStan

Still reading up on this (for own software). You are right! Europe has new privacy rules...

Beginning May 25, under the new General Data Protection Regulation, companies that collect or mine personal data must ask users for consent. No longer will firms be able to bury disclosures about pervasive tracking in hard-to-read legal disclaimers.


They have been public for a while now. But so little time to invest time in it... (it is quite an amount of text).

Examples: Cookie consent is enforced, but can be revoked (so the website must have somewhere a button that removes all users cookies from their database). If they edit your profile, you get a mandatory email. If you request mutations, they have to give the mutations. Lots of extra work for the admins...

 

[Klumpen]

The Borderlands and Borderlands 2 EULA seems to date from January 22nd 2018, and I haven't seen any spyware stuff as in the one from Kerbal.

To just quote someone else on Discord:

Kerbal's EULA last revised date is also January 22nd 2018 and you can't see any spyware stuff in it. These EULAs are all the same.

The trick is in the first part: This limited software warranty and license agreement (this “Agreement“) may be periodically updated and the current version will be posted at http://www.take2games.com/eula (the “Website“).
YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES COMPANY TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE SOFTWARE, INC. (“LICENSOR,” “WE,” “US, OR “OUR”), AS WELL AS THE PRIVACY POLICY LOCATED AT http://www.take2games.com/privacy AND TERMS OF SERVICE LOCATED AT http://www.take2games.com/legal.
They updated their policy at the website. They didnt change the EULA on steam, but it says you agree with the website stuff.
So all the games from take2 have the same spyware thing. Borderlands 1-2-3 as well

 

[ptitSeb]

To just quote someone else on Discord:

But how can you agree to something that is not there? or that is updated reguraly without beeing informed? That doesn't seems valid.

 

[levi]

@Djoga'Ro @WizardStan

Still reading up on this (for own software). You are right! Europe has new privacy rules...

Beginning May 25, under the new General Data Protection Regulation, companies that collect or mine personal data must ask users for consent. No longer will firms be able to bury disclosures about pervasive tracking in hard-to-read legal disclaimers.

That's almost certainly it, but all the messages about it I've got so far are begging letters, saying 'please sign up to this and that otherwise we can't send you all that stuff you didn't ask for in the first place any more'. If as you say they can't bury these opt-ins in legal licensing text any more, that seems to fly in the face of what Take2/Kerbal are trying to do here.

 

[FBnil]

@levi Well, according to the legal department, you better have a provable consent that you can show in court.
They are making it easy on themselves, instead of an ajax button you need to press, they re-signup the people (into a separate, GDPR compliant, database)?
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But how can you agree to something that is not there? or that is updated reguraly without beeing informed? That doesn't seems valid.

Your continued use of the Software after a revised Agreement has been posted constitutes your acceptance of its terms.
IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO OPEN, DOWNLOAD, INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE SOFTWARE.

It's baked into the agreement!
May see it as a traffic light, where you, depending on the license (red/green) can act certain way. But you have no guarantee of green light at the next stoplight... suddenly, the light turns blue... if you accept that, then continue else, get out of the road...


This is why we have this wonderful, automated check called DRM. But here, before playing your game, you need to manually download, diff and agree to the license yourself... maybe even during extended gameplay...

 

[ptitSeb]

@levi Well, according to the legal department, you better have a provable consent that you can show in court.
They are making it easy on themselves, instead of an ajax button you need to press, they re-signup the people (into a separate, GDPR compliant, database)?
[doublepost=1524589468,1524589063][/doublepost]


It's baked into the agreement!
May see it as a traffic light, where you, depending on the license (red/green) can act certain way. But you have no guarantee of green light at the next stoplight... suddenly, the light turns blue... if you accept that, then continue else, get out of the road...


This is why we have this wonderful, automated check called DRM. But here, before playing your game, you need to manually download, diff and agree to the license yourself... maybe even during extended gameplay...

Well, I don't think it's legal, and clearly an abusive clause. It's like signing a blank document entitled "The contract will be filled-in latter, please sign (and don't worry about the content)". What if tomorrow they change the agreement and make the game cost money per time played... retroactively...
Also, this as nothing to do with DRM, and should not be mixed in (not that I like DRM, but this is EULA here, not some anti piracy measure).

 

[FBnil]

Also, this as nothing to do with DRM, and should not be mixed in (not that I like DRM, but this is EULA here, not some anti piracy measure).

Yes, totally true, they are different. I tried to say it in a sarcastic way...
Well, the clause is that you immediately stop using it once you do not consent to the mutated EULFU. (not an Agreement, a FU statement). By dialing home (the software), they know when you used the software, thus that you automatically consented to that new clause.

It reminds me of new games, where there is no CD in the case, just a paper with the URL and your license key...
so you download it, and after a few hours, you run the software and THEN you get the EULA
But you can not return the game to the store because you already "activated" the license key...

 

[Klumpen]

Yes, totally true, they are different. I tried to say it in a sarcastic way...
Well, the clause is that you immediately stop using it once you do not consent to the mutated EULFU. (not an Agreement, a FU statement). By dialing home (the software), they know when you used the software, thus that you automatically consented to that new clause.

It reminds me of new games, where there is no CD in the case, just a paper with the URL and your license key...
so you download it, and after a few hours, you run the software and THEN you get the EULA
But you can not return the game to the store because you already "activated" the license key...

 

[Klumpen]

 

[rygD]

I wonder how many times I missed those shots.

 

[Djoga'Ro]

I wonder how many times I missed those shots.

I wonder, what you mean by shots.

 

[rygD]

http://www.harborhousehouston.com/menu.html

 

[Null]