1 Year Ago Today.....


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I preordered exactly one year ago. Never did I think it would take this long. I still have faith though, but I would my patience is nearly gone. Please get this in my hand ASAP pandora team!
 
relapse808 said:
I preordered exactly one year ago. Never did I think it would take this long. I still have faith though, but I would my patience is nearly gone. Please get this in my hand ASAP pandora team!
I hope your wait is worth it.
 
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I just want reassurance from ED &/or craig that we'll have them in our hands by dec. 31st. I'll be pretty fumed if it's not, but not enough to cancel.
 
@Consequence9

They will try their hardest, but I don't think they could guarantee anything.
 
Sphinxter said:
Sure, it's only a question of which birthday.
careful, you could be jinxing something very important there
 
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For me it was 1 year ago yesterday.

Still really looking forward to this piece of kit.

edit: spelling
 
Massive said:
For me it was 1 year ago yesterday.
Still really looking forward to this piece of kit.
lucky you :)

for me it was like 2+ years of waiting! :)
I even graduate from college last year, AND I hoped that I can show pandora to my friends back then...
well... anyway I hope I can finally get my pandora THIS year as christmas present :) ))
 
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The sad thing is when it was announced it looked like it'd be the most powerful system hardware wise. Now the 3rd Generation iPod Touch is out and suddenly it's not.
 
I think that it's the keyboard / gaming controls that makes it a cut above the rest and it's open source nature. After seeing all the issues with the c64 emulator on the Itouch it made me think and remember why I preordered (a year and a day ago). I so hope we do see the Pandora this or next month

One thing did puzzle me though. After reading the newsletter it's hinted (least I thoght so) that the first 105 boards won't actually go to customers at all now? Also is the rendered image on the front page of the pandora site a final render as some things don't look quite right to me.

anyways lets hope it's smooth sailing from here on in.
 
migo said:
The sad thing is when it was announced it looked like it'd be the most powerful system hardware wise. Now the 3rd Generation iPod Touch is out and suddenly it's not.
What's "power" though? Look at the DS and PSP, they've just released new versions with basically the same dated hardware under the hood that has been in there for years. The DS is totally gutless, but it still sells like a hot little bastard.

If you're concerned about Pandora's performance alongside a bunch of Apple PMPs, don't be. The "power" of Apple mobile devices is largely out of the reach of independent developers. PSX4all runs better on the Palm Pre's OMAP3430 than it does on the 3GS, according to Zodttd's tests. That still puts Pandora's 3530 in a pretty good position, no?

Choosing a device based on the form factor, or the community, or the software, is all cool, no matter if it's Pandora or a PSP or an iPod. Choosing one based on the megahertz though, is a pointless pursuit. You'll always be out of date.
 
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I don't think anyone should be worried about how powerful the Pandora is. The PSP runs pretty much everything I want, but it's controls are horrible. The Pandora is more powerful, so it will be able to run more than I want, with great controls!
 
migo said:
The sad thing is when it was announced it looked like it'd be the most powerful system hardware wise. Now the 3rd Generation iPod Touch is out and suddenly it's not.
at best the ipod touch comes close to equalling it. does it have the DSP and all the other bits? feel free to go and get one but i dont know what benefit it will have for you. maybe you really enjoy playing games with just the touchscreen or maybe you even like being restricted to doing with it what apple wants you to.

power doesnt just come from raw processor speed, it comes from versatility and what you can do with it. the pandora is so open in its software and has so much connectivity the options are practically limitless. now thats a powerful device
 
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Gruso said:
The sad thing is when it was announced it looked like it'd be the most powerful system hardware wise. Now the 3rd Generation iPod Touch is out and suddenly it's not.
What's "power" though? Look at the DS and PSP, they've just released new versions with basically the same dated hardware under the hood that has been in there for years. The DS is totally gutless, but it still sells like a hot little bastard.
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Actually the NDSi is pretty powerful and has had a considerable upgrade.
NDS has 66Mhz and 4MB of RAM.
NDSi has 133Mhz and 16MB of RAM + SD slot + the original hardware.
 
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pawprints said:
I think that it's the keyboard / gaming controls that makes it a cut above the rest and it's open source nature. After seeing all the issues with the c64 emulator on the Itouch it made me think and remember why I preordered (a year and a day ago). I so hope we do see the Pandora this or next month

Keyboard doesn't have much of an advantage over most phones. In fact, since pretty much everyone has a phone, and you can get a good smartphone with slide out landscape keyboard the advantage of the keyboard on the Pandora is a bit redundant. Also, I'd hate to have to play a game intended for 10 finger typing with just 2 thumbs. The dual analog controls are nice though, it does look to be on track as the first player to market with that. Of course some people won't have a smartphone, so it'll benefit them, but that certainly shrinks the market for which it is a benefit.



Gruso said:
What's "power" though? Look at the DS and PSP, they've just released new versions with basically the same dated hardware under the hood that has been in there for years. The DS is totally gutless, but it still sells like a hot little bastard.

Processing power. The type that had the Pandora fans who put up the Wikipedia page saying it will be the most powerful handheld system out there.

If you're concerned about Pandora's performance alongside a bunch of Apple PMPs, don't be. The "power" of Apple mobile devices is largely out of the reach of independent developers.

How do you figure it's out of the reach of independent devs specifically?

PSX4all runs better on the Palm Pre's OMAP3430 than it does on the 3GS, according to Zodttd's tests. That still puts Pandora's 3530 in a pretty good position, no?

Assuming it doesn't get released after the 4th Generation iPod Touch, and even if it beats it to market, the 4th generation one is inevitable within months of when the Pandora actually launches, and it's going to be somewhat more powerful than the current one.


RenegadeChic said:
at best the ipod touch comes close to equalling it. does it have the DSP and all the other bits? feel free to go and get one but i dont know what benefit it will have for you. maybe you really enjoy playing games with just the touchscreen or maybe you even like being restricted to doing with it what apple wants you to.

Ever heard of Jailbreaking? The iPhone homebrew community is already bigger than the Pandora one will ever be. I'm no wizard when it comes to actual performance, but the specs of the Pandora look much less impressive now than they used to.

power doesnt just come from raw processor speed, it comes from versatility and what you can do with it. the pandora is so open in its software and has so much connectivity the options are practically limitless. now thats a powerful device

Pandora doesn't have UMTS, that's something of a limiting factor as far as connectivity goes. Certainly it does have advantages, but the advantages are starting to be the same advantages the DS has over the PSP rather than what it was before looking like it would win out in almost all areas.
 
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slaanesh said:
Actually the NDSi is pretty powerful and has had a considerable upgrade.
NDS has 66Mhz and 4MB of RAM.
NDSi has 133Mhz and 16MB of RAM + SD slot + the original hardware.
You seem to have horribly misquoted me. :D Point taken though, the DSi is quite a decent upgrade over the DS. God forbid someone would buy a PMP with a mere 133mhz though! The horror!

For the record, I love all 66mhz of my DS.
 
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RenegadeChic said:
at best the ipod touch comes close to equalling it. does it have the DSP and all the other bits? feel free to go and get one but i dont know what benefit it will have for you. maybe you really enjoy playing games with just the touchscreen or maybe you even like being restricted to doing with it what apple wants you to.

Ever heard of Jailbreaking? The iPhone homebrew community is already bigger than the Pandora one will ever be. I'm no wizard when it comes to actual performance, but the specs of the Pandora look much less impressive now than they used to.
of course in terms of hardware they're going to be caught up with, but the point i was trying to make is that pure hardware spec isnt everything. it hasnt lost any of its original potential, its just that other devices are coming closer to matching it. if i buy a device with a warranty like the iphone, i sure as hell wont jailbreak it because that warranty will be voided and i dont trust apple to make long lasting products. the pandora on the other hand should be as sturdy as a PC where you can freely install new software, new operating systems and new everything and it wont reduce any of the original functionality. you really dont seem to understand what the benefit of a completely open handheld device like this has over one where the company will go out of their way with firmware updates to make sure you only use it the way they want you to.

not only that you're still not even beginning to acknowledge the other parts of the pandora's architecture that are exciting such as the DSP, etc. not only that, the pandora works at higher resolution as well. you really are quite utterly misinformed
 
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I understand the benefit perfectly well. I'm commenting on how the landscape has changed since the Pandora was initially announced. It was originally supposed to be more powerful than anything else available. Now there's plenty of stuff out with similar or better specs in a lot of areas. As for being open, have you looked into Maemo? It's hard to be more open than that. Yeah, the Pandora has dual analog sticks which no Maemo device does, but depending on why you were interested in getting the Pandora that reason could suddenly be gone. If you were looking for a powerful handheld linux device that acts as a computer, you've got the N900. If you're looking at a handheld gaming system with 3D graphics, you've got the iPod Touch. Also a lot of people have an iPhone anyway. If you're considering the Pandora you could just get yourself a 3GS, that covers a lot of what the Pandora could do, and brings in a huge software library the Pandora can't even touch. Then as far as what the Pandora still can do that the 3GS can't, there are other devices that will also suit your needs.

It depends on what you want. If you want a good portable PS emulator then the Pandora does well. Converting PS games for the PSP is a pain in the ass, and some games don't have perfect compatibility, so getting a system with dual analog sticks is a strong selling point for it. Same for if you want a portable system that can emulate everything up to the 5th generation in consoles with the physical controls to match then the Pandora will still be the leader.

On the other hand, if you were looking at the DS as not quite giving you what you were after, and the PSP sort of giving you what you wanted but UMD made the battery life suck and the software library is small then the iPod Touch does nicely. It's got a ton of free games that are easier to access than emulation and ROMs on the Pandora, and a bunch more at $1. You can have a ton of graphically rich games on the go without having to carry a bunch of catriges or UMDs with you.
 
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