PGS Windows 10 gaming handheld - GPD WIN competitor


Thinking you can come up with requirements that make sense is just a variation over the theme 'skill required'. You would either have to have already spent the countless hours, or spend them. You could offload things, but never get away from this requirement. Throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it, it may hide it, but its not like that is a solution.
Nobody does commission work on closed handhelds that I know of. And of the ones that might, they aren't in the business of magic. The PGS are operating on magical guidelines with non-magical budgets.
 
Yes... and they said two months ago here at the boards that they want to finish a prototype first (not something butchered together) until Kickstarter starts.
Weeell.... we've seen where that lead us :)
Now the butchering is inside a printed case :D



Not sure. A few will, but there are probably many believers.


Yes, that's what I was alluding to, I'm sure it will be another hack job. They already said they can't do a prototype PCB in time, so it leaves nothing else except for another hacked together something.
Of course this is my conjecture.

Oh , and looks like another stretch goal has been achieved, along with backlights on the action buttons, you can now enjoy a selection of color options. I can guess the color names, nope, mustn't go there , must resist urge :)
 
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Too many doubts for me within this project.

I already backed Pyra and GPD Win. They both are real. This one has a lot potential for becoming (being) vapoware.
 
...Not sure. A few will, but there are probably many believers.
If a havoc breaks loose on the comments section and they do no damage control, it sure could flop.
But if they have the 100k they need (out of the magic investors), anything added up is a bonus to the scam. If the total value at the end of campaign may come to be unworth, things can always be cancelled by some reason.

I took the time to watch the kickstarter video... oh Lord.
Is it me or the ghost guy´s voice is dubbed?...really strange.
Good thing at least is that I think some couple main lines may have been done by john bailey (honest trailers) like PGS, REVOLUTION KNOW...
Apart from that, horrible movie campaign that sings scamm all over.
Still, if this was serious, the kickstarter would at least have a prototype to boot. It doesn´t cut such a campaign these days, are they stating they got some NDAs and can´t show anything yet?

They are a bit more professional than the Pyra killer, the almighty Smack Zero, but they are more professional on an unprofessional direction.
This one is so bad that I can´t even care to make a joke out of it.

edit: the voice is not only dubbed but it is fragmented edited from multiple recordings...so frankenstein.
 
The investors that we don't know exist, issuing a company led by someone without any engineering-sense with 100k, which you cant make that handheld for. Sure it could be more, but already its hinging on believing in something that doesn't make any sense.
Lets just get all ideas to the contrary out of our heads, and check if the guy is even real.

If they had the money it really takes, if at all possible, because we don't know that either, they wouldn't be on kickstarter.

People who just have lots of money, and little to no sense, with the types of glaring errors seen here, aren't on kickstarter.
Scammers, hopeless dreamers, and any variation thereof. The majority is honest, but lets look at actual detail.
Pretty sure this would be the most technical thing produced on kickstarter to date. And we believe in that, despite glaring errors, because they have
a website
editing skills
what?
 
Latest backer update is interesting

Update #5
Jul 4 2016

Intel Corporation is ready to help us
Good news. We received a message from the Principal Engineer of the performance Lab of Intel Corporation.

They see an opportunity to assist us in the development.

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If the negotiations go well, maybe they will become our partners. For us it would be a great honor.

We are confident that the partnership with corporation like Intel will help us to achieve the best results.

That seems highly unlikely for such a small project, especially with Intel dropping the Atom line. Maybe i'm just being skeptical and this is possible?
 
Well, the PGS campaign has just ticked over 4 days since it started. They have 868 backers so far in that short time frame, which is more than the total of backers the Pyra has obtained in 65 days including the 4 days of pre-preorders.

Clearly spending lots of money and years developing a prototype is not the way to go. Clearly what's needed to be successful is a nice drawing. If only we had of known

@Gr8one

They said they would be talking to Intel (and had in the past I think) to try and get factory overclocking of the GPU. Since the next stretch goal is factory overclocking of the GPU, that's probably why the contact at this point in time. Doesn't mean I believe any of this, just saying.
 
Well, the PGS campaign has just ticked over 4 days since it started. They have 868 backers so far in that short time frame, which is more than the total of backers the Pyra has obtained in 65 days including the 4 days of pre-preorders.

Clearly spending lots of money and years developing a prototype is not the way to go. Clearly what's needed to be successful is a nice drawing. If only we had of known

Naah, that's not all.
The reason they have so many backers is the price for those specs (which seems impossible, in my opinion), the video (we all know it looks cheap, but most people see it as professional and awesome video and they believe those guys) and the fact that so many didn't really realize that there's no working prototype as well as that many think this is as fast as a modern desktop PC (I can't count the number of comments who would like to see GTA V or Witcher 3 running on the system...)

Heck, someone in the comments even mentioned he's not scared because he thinks he'll get the money back from Kickstarter in case they won't receive anything... oh boy.

If I had promoted the Pyra like that, it would've sold like hell as well... actually, the Pandora did work like that. The price Craig set it to was 220 USD at the beginning, WAY too low for the production...
And it sold 4000 without a couple of days, then we closed the preorder.

The Pyra is expensive, which means not that many are going to back it.
 
Maybe i'm just being skeptical and this is possible?
I have 2 theories about this:
1. Intel seeks new market penetration and revenues () or wants to make the chip look good.
2. It is the Intel engineers that, for the love of technology, help out a bit (similar to T.I. helping out with the OpenPandora, iirc)

Although Businesses still buy intel chips for the servers (Wintel and Lintel), PC sales (where AMD and Intel reign) have been in decline, and other segments, like mobile phones (where intel penetration is minimal) erode the profits.
Who knows, maybe they (not upper management, but lower management) see potential in the handheld market segment, with a little investment of Intel resources, they potentially can gain a lot? (like competing with the Nvidia-Tegra, TI-OMAP, etc)
 
The thing I'm struggling to work out, ok , there's many things, but the current one is how they are going to implement a replaceable battery in a metal case. I can only think that it would have to be that the back plate is removal by screws or something.

By the way, are metal cases expensive to make?. Would have thought so
 
By the way, are metal cases expensive to make?. Would have thought so
They are impractical.
Thin metal with about the same weight as a plastic case gets bent and dented really fast (and destroying the sensitive stuff unterneath then) and if you make it thick enough it gets extremely heavy.
 
I have 2 theories about this:
1. Intel seeks new market penetration and revenues () or wants to make the chip look good.
2. It is the Intel engineers that, for the love of technology, help out a bit (similar to T.I. helping out with the OpenPandora, iirc)

Option 3
PGS: Hey Intel, can we buy some of your chips?
Intel: Uh, sure... Selling chips is our job, so why not?
PGS: Can we have some datasheets and stuff?
Intel: Of course. It's all available on our website. You don't even have to ask.
PGS: Hey everybody! Intel is "working with us"!!!

If there is any truth to this announcement, it's going to be more along the lines of #3 than anything else. Frankly, I'd be surprised if it's even that true.
 
The only project you can back for 1$ and get close to some out of mind action.
But there is enough show for even someone who finds that too much to ask:

Today's major misconceptions:
  • You can sell a titanium shell without a minimum order requirement.
  • Ok, how about a MAXIMUM of 10, at the price of 800$, with innards included.
Thats 8k$ - with a straight up cut of thousands for the machines to put in them, alone being a huge stretch for 800$, then additional organisation, to produce at least 4 different parts (or hit us with the unibody meme, go on, you are on a roll already), and laser engrave them. Then you need to make special case files, and buy raw material, titanium being one of the really expencive ones.

What am I trying to say → You do not end up with money to do CNC-machining, p e r i o d.

How many big name megacorporations have tried to take on apple and samsung for luxury handsets? Something that btw. has no moving parts, and only one screen.

HTC, Motorola, Lenovo, Microsoft, Nokia, Intel, Huawei, etc etc etc. They would love to be able to operate on these margins, but they can't, because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

And somehow 10 people, two of which are engineers, are going to do better than samsung and apple. Their R & D budgets for hardware are m a s s i v e. They have every advantage you could think of, and then some. Not to mention they are both routinely convicted for operating illegally, but hey-ho, totally kickstart this idea into your head, that doesn't matter. We just sell it cheaper. I know right.

If people say you cant do something you promised, don't promise more fantasy projects.
  • Lets just change category to "Project design" and get away from the technology requirements on kickstarter. Nobody will even notice.
You are just as wrong, but now adding insult to injury, for a combined sum of pathetic.
 
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There are titanium phones but they cost $3000+ and I'm sure have much higher volumes than 10. And phones have much simpler housing than this. I agree this is another big red flag that they don't know how to realistically budget this.

This is the first time I've seen a KS's photo-realistic renders get downgraded to much simpler and clearly not realistic drawings. Must have gotten nervous.

Here's another eyebrow raising quote from the KS comments section:

When it is time to send devices to backers, we will ask each backer about preferable color.

So.. how does this work exactly? You'll pick the case color when they're ready to send? Even if they over produce it so they have enough colored cases for everyone they'd still have to perform the final assembly (which doesn't look that straightforward) only once the case color is known. So they can't actually be ready to send at all.

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to ask people what color they want as soon as the KS is over? So they know how many of each to make upfront?

Then again, having multiple colors is just yet another unnecessary complication in an already woefully unrealistic project...
 
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Well, it looks like the Principal Engineer at Intel really is in communications with them and has offered to help tune performance with the PGS. Color me surprised.



They have also added some new stretch goals

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You are in the early stages of talking to Intel who have offered to help, yet you add a strecth goal to maybe use an AMD chip. Oh boy.
 
Yes, and?
That's "performance support". It's no real support, they will just help to tweak the system, maybe help prevent some bugs in design, but that's it.

We have multiple of such supports for the Pyra as well.

Now, if Intel decided to help them with the design, production or sponsor the product, that would've impressed me... but not help with the fine tuning or similar.
 
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