monstercameron
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that may be true but aren't we all? I mean linux users and emulation crowd don't want to play do do mainstream things.I'm starting to think you're just enamored with bucking the status quo, or enjoy being contrary.
that may be true but aren't we all? I mean linux users and emulation crowd don't want to play do do mainstream things.I'm starting to think you're just enamored with bucking the status quo, or enjoy being contrary.
Seriously though, I don't really get you. First you say that OPT should use an SoC with an integrated FPGA, which would need mostly new development work to utilize it. Then you say it should use x86 to avoid having to do new development to utilize it. Now you're saying MIPS. I'm starting to think you're just enamored with bucking the status quo, or enjoy being contrary.
Parallella Computer Specifications
The following list shows the major components planned for the Parallella computer:
- Dual-core ARM A9 CPU
- Epiphany Multicore Accelerator (16 or 64 cores)
- 1GB RAM
- MicroSD Card
- USB 2.0 (two)
- Two general purpose expansion connectors
- Ethernet 10/100/1000
- HDMI connection
- Ships with Ubuntu OS
- Ships with free open source Epiphany development tools that include C compiler, multicore debugger, Eclipse IDE, OpenCL SDK/compiler, and run time libraries.
- Dimensions are 3.4'' x 2.1''
Once completed, the Parallella computer should deliver up to 45 GHz of equivalent CPU performance on a board the size of a credit card while consuming only 5 Watts under typical work loads. Counting GHz, this is more horsepower than a high end server costing thousands of dollars and consuming 400W.
This is a pretty interesting debate, from my perspective what I and even other fairly geeky consumers are interested in from chipset hardware is what software it will run in a capable fashion & what sort of battery life / heat level it will have, not the underlying architecture.
If it came to a choice of x86 that would run perhaps at 75% the speed and 75% of the battery life of the Arm equivalent for a similar price then it would be a highly difficult call. As the software base for x86 via Linux & Windows is a huge plus, my gut feel is that if this 75% & 75% figure could be reached then the sensible option would be to go with x86.
However as has been stated this is not currently the case, nor is it likely to be in the near future. However, you can bet that Intel & AMD will have been / will be, spending millions on making this happen eventually.
A big question for me is when can we realistically expect the P2 to come to market? my guess would be 2014 or 2015 at the earliest based on the understanding that the existing debts & pre orders of OPLtd would have to be cleared before a probably hugely expensive prototyping phase could be entered.
Who knows how the x86 vs Arm debate will look then?
One thing's for sure, it'll be interesting to find out, as a betting man my money would be on Arm, but it does no harm to hedge your bets.
X86 is a horrible inefficient mess these days. That software edge is very quickly being removed. ARM is the future.
A X86 Pandora2 would be such a white elephant... but one that could warm your pockets pretty well.
Well it's modular based so I bet someone will try to cram an X86 in there anyway....
How about "no"? Yeah, I'm going to stick with "no".
there is a difference between being desperate and the need to adjust to different termsGraigix said:They can wrap their dead end X86 chips up however they like (yesterdays newspaper would be fitting) but they are the past, inefficient and desperate.
GIMP and XnView comes to mindCraigix said:What is the software that you seem to think is missing from ARM devices?
there is a difference between being desperate and the need to adjust to different termsGraigix said:They can wrap their dead end X86 chips up however they like (yesterdays newspaper would be fitting) but they are the past, inefficient and desperate.
GIMP and XnView comes to mindCraigix said:What is the software that you seem to think is missing from ARM devices?
Steam? hmh
anyway I favour the next Pandora to be based on OMAP5
They can wrap their dead end X86 chips up however they like (yesterdays newspaper would be fitting) but they are the past, inefficient and desperate.
What is the software that you seem to think is missing from ARM devices?
They can wrap their dead end X86 chips up however they like (yesterdays newspaper would be fitting) but they are the past, inefficient and desperate.
What is the software that you seem to think is missing from ARM devices?
The reason why there is a lack of interest in debating this is because we all already know the advantages of ARM and that this conversation has been done to death.
No one can be bothered to go though it yet again.
ARM is just all about elegance which we love, it also gives unbeatable battery life and it's the future.
X86 has just had its day. Just like z80 and 68k before it.
Android will soon be the most popular OS in the world, almost every device, laptops included, will move to ARM.
Welcome to the future.
The reason why there is a lack of interest in debating this is because we all already know the advantages of ARM and that this conversation has been done to death.
No one can be bothered to go though it yet again.
ARM is just all about elegance which we love, it also gives unbeatable battery life and it's the future.
X86 has just had its day. Just like z80 and 68k before it.
Android will soon be the most popular OS in the world, almost every device, laptops included, will move to ARM.
Welcome to the future.
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