Should I have received my final order eMail already?


Hehe I know I will be quick to order next time, had pandora number 62 (but I dont know if the serial number was correct) it was one of the first ones from craigix. Now the wait for pyra 144 is quite a burden on my patience. :D So lesson learned be quicker in preprepreordering.

Used to be a beauty though, was replaced by a silver 1 GHz later.

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Yes, assembly is and was slow at the beginning.
With the Pandora, we built them as fast as possible at the beginning - but a lot of them had some kind of hardware defect (which is normal for a first production run).

What slows it down that much is:

* Manual labour work needed for the first 300 cases: increases the assembly time from roughly 5 minutes to 30 minutes per unit. We're not building unit after unit but have already preassembled most of these first 300 cases now, so the output should speed up a bit in the near future.

* even with the manual labour being done upfront, it often happens that a nub or shoulder button is stuck or hard to press. So I need to disassemble, fix and reassemble the unit - which can take up additionally 10 - 20 minutes until I'm contend with the result.

* the first batch of an electronic production often also has some issues, when part placement is not yet 100% perfect. So some boards have issues like vibro motor not working or similar. When I come across one, I also need to disassemble, change the board, document the issue (so GC can make sure this doesn't happen with future PCBs) and use a new one. This also needs 15 - 30 additional minutes.

* we have 6 different units produced on demand. US, EU, Standard - with two different colors. So I can't simply assemble tons of units upfront (as it was with the Pyra) but need to take care of what has been ordered. That takes a bit of time as well.

* the big room I'll rent for assembly won't be available before May, so we always have to play Sokoban with boxes full of Pyra parts, partially assembled Pyras and so on... this is sooo annoying and also eats time.

Well, and lastly, the biggest issue still was the fact that I'd been alone in my shop from December till mid of February. I still don't have the time to work a full day on the Pyras. I had to finish accountings for 2019 (even have to pay a fee because I'm behind the deadline), but each day, I'm catching up with everything that has stacked up and I'm on a good way!

I know things are moving very, VERY slow right now, but I can't clone myself (would be cool though).
Unfortunately, for the first 300 units (until the cases are fixed), it's also not plausible to let GC do the assembly (like they did with the Pandora), as the additional work would probably increase the costs to assemble one unit to 80 EUR per Pyra... which is a bit expensive.

I'm working towards assembly at GC. But that can't happen before the cases have been fixed.

I hope that explains things a bit. We'll get there, no worries. But it takes a bit of time.
 
Can someone help get me up to speed? I haven't followed any updates since I back on 5/4/16. I paid €330.

Am I in the normal preorders then? And will I be able to change my address?
 
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Can someone help get me up to speed? I haven't followed any updates since I back on 5/4/16. I paid €330.

Am I in the normal preorders then? And will I be able to change my address?

If you didnt get a pcb with a number on it, you are in the normal pre-orders list. Currently the first 75 of ~200 pre-preorderers are being served, after that the rest, and it depends on your time where you are in line.

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Example of Pre-Pre-Order PCB.
 
Seems like a lot of issues left, until whe Pyra Owners get more, and its easy when you read this Topic whit this Thing allready in your Pocket,
allthough i also need much more Pyra in the Wild, because the Software Side isnt that big,
im happy about Wallys PCSX, Muppen64, and Drastic Port, but whit more Users, who know how to, i hope whe get much more Emulators..
Much more Users who test stuff, make Videos, figure out how to make things..
 
I also feel very frustrated. In fact I ordered a screen and will try to fix my gpd win. I'm in the next batch and waiting is becoming unbearable.

Even getting a Pyra won't fulfill my needs, emulators, browser, video playing ... Seems in a very early status for my use case.

Anyhow I wish the project to suceed and keep improving.
 
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Well, there is allready a lot possible, but as there arent that much out yet so there arent that many users to ask when you have issues, the experience is a bit more divicult..
I used at break on surving a bit the Internet, whit a tiny roll on mouse its a quite clean experience as you dont have to touch the pyra itself,
everything went good, then twitter crashed.., (only on my Firefox, not for the whole world), and at the end the Pyra freeced in the start menue..

The Batterie Time is also not that good yet, it could be i lost about 10 % by surving the Internet for maybe a quarter hour, whit everything one (USB, Bluetooth, WIFI, Backlight for Screen and Keyboard..
 
I also feel very frustrated. In fact I ordered a screen and will try to fix my gpd win. I'm in the next batch and waiting is becoming unbearable.

Even getting a Pyra won't fulfill my needs, emulators, browser, video playing ... Seems in a very early status for my use case.

Anyhow I wish the project to suceed and keep improving.

I can fully understand you, and - believe me - I'd rather have this finished sooner than later as well.
But shipping units with defects will just cause a lot of additional costs. Shipping back and forth to international customers easily adds 120 EUR... and that's not what we need.
 
Well, and lastly, the biggest issue still was the fact that I'd been alone in my shop from December till mid of February. I still don't have the time to work a full day on the Pyras. I had to finish accountings for 2019 (even have to pay a fee because I'm behind the deadline), but each day, I'm catching up with everything that has stacked up and I'm on a good way!
just want to clarify, your employee is back at work now? there seems to have been some confusion in this thread about further lockdowns and whether that's been affected.

So some boards have issues like vibro motor not working or similar.
no need to worry about that on my unit, i never use rumble, in games or on my phone : P
 
Quality over quantity. We've waited so long, it would be a kick in the balls if we got defective pyras after all this.

Besides, this gives the software people more time to hammer out important issues so the user experience is better once we finally get out units.
 
Quality over quantity. We've waited so long, it would be a kick in the balls if we got defective pyras after all this.

Besides, this gives the software people more time to hammer out important issues so the user experience is better once we finally get out units.
Well, don't forget that this is a FOSS community, the more units that are in the wild, the better the software.

But yea, considering the cost and the time? I'd certainly prefer to wait a bit longer rather than get defective parts.
 
Are you waiting on some fixes or parts or something @EvilDragon ? Or are there other unrelated/undisclosed problems?

I don't want to be or sound annoying but the output is <1 per day..
Production started somewhere around Christmas and we're almost half-way march now and not even 75 units have been delivered to your customers.
Every now and then a breadcrumb is thrown this way but after that it's weeks of nothing again.
If in fact nothing is wrong, this makes me feel that we (the people waiting) are not a priority at all.

I'm a really patient guy, I've been here active on the forum, waiting and trying to keep the spirit up since the beginning of the pandora project years ago but now I start to think there's things not right, and I'm pretty sure that's because of the lack of communication.. Also I don't think Covid related restrictions should have such a big impact that not even 1 pyra can be built in a whole day.
Even with the restrictions in place multiple people could work on building Pyra's at their own homes.

Sorry... Maybe I'm just having a shitty day and have to vent but I'm feeling more and more pessimistic about all of this and am tired of trying to make up reasons or excuses about why things are stagnating so much...
EDs latest is concern for screenshots being included in dbps, because he was worried about a repo going down and not having screenshots of the stuff he installed in his own Pyra.

Couple issues with that:

1. We didnt fund your personal project for just you ED.

2. Why isnt the concern production?

3. Why arent you concerned about the huge graphics issues?
 
2. Why isnt the concern production?
He's already explained why production is so slow in a thread around these parts (may even be this thread, I've not checked).
3. Why arent you concerned about the huge graphics issues?
Is he only allowed one concern at a time? Seems odd in a project all about freedom for you to be trying to change what he thinks about.

Edit: Yes, it's all on this page if you just scroll up.
 
EDs latest is concern for screenshots being included in dbps, because he was worried about a repo going down and not having screenshots of the stuff he installed in his own Pyra.

For heavens sake, so many people on Discord already called you out for being annoying, now you're continuing it here?
I already said on Discord I won't continue the discussion with you, but I'll (once more) repeat said things here (which you apparently didn't understand).

Couple issues with that:

1. We didnt fund your personal project for just you ED.

Correct. You bought a hardware that I planned to produce. Not even software. Just the hardware. 90% of the development costs have been paid by my shop, btw.
So you didn't even fund 0.1% of the project. Don't speak for others.

And you didn't buy any part of me. If I'd love it to have screenshots included in the DBPs, that's my own personal request. I can make as many requests to any devs as I like.
It doesn't mean they will jump on it and do it. In the end, I can't code and only tell what I'd love to have. I don't pay any devs, so whether they want to include it or not, it's up to them.
I can still show concern for that. When 200 DBPs are released without screenshots and the feature is later added, most of them won't be updated.

We did an upgrade of the PND specs once with the Pandora. As a result, not all of the PNDs that were available before the repo has been created are in the repo. Some are only available on the old file archive. Why? Because the repo refuses them because of the change, and no one updated them.

That's something I like to prevent, and screenshots ARE useful for games (I chose 90% of the games I played on the Pandora based on the screenshot in the repo).

2. Why isnt the concern production?
Because that's something completely different?
GC / Uniqueplast / me here in the office handle the production. There's a lot going on in the back you don't know in details regarding tweaks, fixes, quality control, etc.
None of them will probably code screenshots into the existing DBP code.

So... what's the connection here...?
You also don't seem to be concerned too much about the production. Yesterday I finished 7 units when I had 3 hours of time, today you kept me busy for around 1.5 hours, which would've been 3 - 4 more Pyras.

3. Why arent you concerned about the huge graphics issues?

Well, if I follow your own advise above and shouldn't say anything about the software... then... why should I even be concerned?
I only claimed to deliver the hardware, never the software side. The graphical things are pure software, so according to your own logic, I should stay out of that.

However, as I personally want to see that things are working, so I'll try to help as good as I can.

Most of the OpenGL issues come from the OpenGL Wrapper we're using, and ptitSeb (who is the original author) is regularly working on that and fixing bugs.
The other thing is that SDL does not work with TILER when it's fullscreen and some hardware acceleration for scaling would be nice here.
Though it's also possible to port SDL games to SDL2 (which can use OpenGL), so in that case, hardware acceleration won't be needed anymore.

There are other important lowlevel things (audio driver, etc.) where some devs have already worked on but it's not finished, and (if you follow the kernel mailing list), I will set up bounties for these things to get more devs to work on that.

However, devs needed here would need a Pyra (or at least the OMAP5 devboard), as low-level work and debugging is hard otherwise.
And you need to have a lot of hardware knowledge, a normal game or application developer usually can't do that.

Whereas a Pyra software manager or adding screenshot capabilities into the DBP stuff can be done by any developer, even without having a Pyra at hand.

As explained on Discord: Totally different kind of developers, so one doesn't effect the other. Same as on point 2.
 
Yesterday I finished 7 units when I had 3 hours of time, today you kept me busy for around 1.5 hours, which would've been 3 - 4 more Pyras.
I am wondering for how many not produced Pyras I am responsible for.
And no, I am not DerJochen, Jeremiah or SwordfishII. They are imposters trying to copy me.

Back to topic and back to September 2020 where I expected, against all others here, only a few dozen units will be produced per week. But I was totally wrong!
 
I am wondering for how many not produced Pyras I am responsible for.
And no, I am not DerJochen, Jeremiah or SwordfishII. They are imposters trying to copy me.

Back to topic and back to September 2020 where I expected, against all others here, only a few dozen units will be produced per week. But I was totally wrong!

Not that many, you didn't spam me me on Discord for a while :D
I know you're not DerJochen... as I'm in contact with him... he also has changed since back then.

Also, it was pretty much known from the beginning, that the first few hundred units will take a lot longer to assembly. So... that's nothing new...?

It wasn't any different with the Pandora, and in the end, GC could make 500 per week if I requested them.
 
Haha you should hire a PR intern that just follows your every move and tweets about it :D

PR bot: "that's the 3rd cup of coffee already while ticking away 20 tickets from the shop

PR bot: "long meeting with greek plastics compagny, man can they talk"

PR bot: "that's the first visit to the toilet of today, where does he keep all the coffee?"
 
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