Replacement Interface

[mots]

Imo Tebb's ist still the best...

 

[DaveC]

Imo Tebb's ist still the best...

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You mean that boring list of text?

Yuk.

 

[Hanz™]

I think you make too many assumptions. You assume that everyone has their cards filled mostly with movies, you assume that everyone only needs or wants to see 6 things at once or only has a few things to put on their card. You assume that we need to see a big background picture instead of icons. Then you push a design that is based on these assumptions. You even go as far as saying that yes everyone has their cards filled with movies because it is a PMP. PMP? Look at this board. Does everything on here look like movies? I don't know I see alot of homebrew and emulators. I don't have a single movie on my card.

I never assumed that peoples card were filled with movies, but I don't discount the fact that some people occasionally store movies on their card. At which point it takes up a fair size of the card for just one movie, and I do think they are unlikely to store more than 6 movies at any one point.
"you assume that everyone only needs or wants to see 6 things at once"
I obviously don't do that, that is why I have said time and time again that both methods have to be implemented.
"You assume that we need to see a big background picture instead of icons."
Nope, I never assumed that, I said that "in my opinion" I like to see a nice GUI, and for me that means a nice wallpaper, nice icons and the layout I want to see.
I bet other people also like to see what they want to get, so I think it would be worth making the GUI as customisable as possible.

You want your way and yes I want mine. You want to meet in the middle? ok how? By doing both? You know that only one method will be used. They will just pick one and do it. So which one?

I would think that if they have more than 15 emulators on their card they will pick your one, but if they have less they would want mine.
I don't think that everybody would pick the same method.
But yes generally I think most people would prefer to have the choice of the two methods.

Argue back. I dare you. Edit: It seems inevitable seeing how stubborn you are.

Edit: DaveC being appreciative of peoples opinions again. (above)
For those that haven't seen my idea for an interface.

 

[DaveC]

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You want your way and yes I want mine. You want to meet in the middle? ok how? By doing both? You know that only one method will be used. They will just pick one and do it. So which one?

I would think that if they have more than 15 emulators on their card they will pick your one, but if they have less they would want mine.
I don't think that everybody would pick the same method.
But yes generally I think most people would prefer to have the choice of the two methods.

Argue back. I dare you.

Edit: DaveC being appreciative of peoples opinions again. (above)

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Argue back? Well you still didn't answer how you plan to meet in the middle when you KNOW only one method will be chosen. Yeah it would be great if we can all just pick the one we want and it will be magically coded up just for you. You know that isn't happening.

"I would think that if they have more than 15 emulators on their card they will pick your one, but if they have less they would want mine."

I am sure I am not the only one with 15 or more homebrew games and/or emulators on the card. So now what?

Imagine it is down to either one. They can only do one, your 6 icon bar or my 20 icon panel. Which one?

 

[Hanz™]

Argue back? Well you still didn't answer how you plan to meet in the middle when you KNOW only one method will be chosen. Yeah it would be great if we can all just pick the one we want and it will be magically coded up just for you. You know that isn't happening.

"I would think that if they have more than 15 emulators on their card they will pick your one, but if they have less they would want mine."

I am sure I am not the only one with 15 or more homebrew games and/or emulators on the card. So now what?

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You don't KNOW only one method will be chosen?!
Do you have proof this is the case?
I have proof that this is not the case. And even if this is not the case, I will make sure something happens eventually. I am in my first year in University studying Computer Science, so I should aim to be able to code this sort of thing very soon.
It shouldn't need to be magically coded for me. Obviously, its a plus if it is, but it won't be the end of the day if it isn't.

I never said that you were the only one with more than 15 emulators on your card, I intended that my post be read as if there were 2 types of people - those that would like my design and those that didn't.
As I have said before, I think that GP2X users should have some sort of choice here.

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Imagine it is down to either one. They can only do one, your 6 icon bar or my 20 icon panel. Which one?

There would be a division, some people would want a scroller and others would want yours. There are pros and cons to both - and different people will want different things. How are you still arguing, surely what I say is common sense?!

Edit: I plan to do a screeny with how a mp3 section would look tomorrow.

 

[DaveC]

You don't KNOW only one method will be chosen?!
Do you have proof this is the case?
I have proof that this is not the case. And even if this is not the case, I will make sure something happens eventually. I am in my first year in University studying Computer Science, so I should aim to be able to code this sort of thing very soon.

There would be a division, some people would want a scroller and others would want yours. There are pros and cons to both - and different people will want different things. How are you still arguing, surely what I say is common sense?!

Edit: I plan to do a screeny with how a mp3 section would look tomorrow.

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Craig was talking about the official GPH one. The "proof" you give is paragon saying that he could do both. That is not an official GPH one and it may never happen. The GPH one is the one that I am talking about here. You know that there will only be one from them.

As far as you coding one, well you would only code your design though right? Why would you spend time doing one that you don't like? Not much help to me.

Then of course the third scenario is that GPH does one that neither one of us likes. Not yours, not mine, something completely different.

 

[Aninhumer]

I wonder if we can turn this forum into random gibberish, we might just drown out this damn argument.

 

[Hanz™]

You don't KNOW only one method will be chosen?!
Do you have proof this is the case?
I have proof that this is not the case. And even if this is not the case, I will make sure something happens eventually. I am in my first year in University studying Computer Science, so I should aim to be able to code this sort of thing very soon.

There would be a division, some people would want a scroller and others would want yours. There are pros and cons to both - and different people will want different things. How are you still arguing, surely what I say is common sense?!

Edit: I plan to do a screeny with how a mp3 section would look tomorrow.

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Craig was talking about the official GPH one. The "proof" you give is paragon saying that he could do both. That is not an official GPH one and it may never happen. The GPH one is the one that I am talking about here. You know that there will only be one from them.

As far as you coding one, well you would only code your design though right? Why would you spend time doing one that you don't like? Not much help to me.

Then of course the third scenario is that GPH does one that neither one of us likes.

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Yep the parag0n one may never happen, but I think he is capable. Whether he will or not is a different matter.
We don't know that craig was talking about GPH.
You do realise that GPH only has 3 people in it, and that Dignysys have now been fired right?
They have hired some (computer?/coders?) engineers I hear, whether they are going to be used for this or not I don't know.

I would spend time doing a design that I wouldn't like as I would want as many people to use my interface as possible. Please note, that as far as this goes, it will probably be quite a while before I am able to do this.

 

[DaveC]

I wonder if we can turn this forum into random gibberish, we might just drown out this damn argument.

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It is just an arguement. I don't think there is anything wrong with arguing. Flaming is bad. There really isn't much flaming going on so..

 

[DaveC]

We don't know that craig was talking about GPH.
You do realise that GPH only has 3 people in it, and that Dignysys have now been fired right?
They have hired some (computer?/coders?) engineers I hear, whether they are going to be used for this or not I don't know.

I would spend time doing a design that I wouldn't like as I would want as many people to use my interface as possible. Please note, that as far as this goes, it will probably be quite a while before I am able to do this.

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I know that Craig was talking about GPH. I know this from an e-mail.

So yes this is all about the interface in the official firmware. That is why it is so important. It is also why I don't want to be stuck with something that I hate. It will be forever.

By the way I don't care for the cross bar design because I have already used it, on the PSP. It is awkward and slow to me. So I am speaking from experience.

I guess we will now just have to wait and see. I think you will probably get your way as Guyfawkes likes the PSP type interface because he likes the PSP.

 

[Aninhumer]

I guess, but the arguement doesn't look like it's going anywhere.
Also the fact that you even noticed my post reassures me that you aren't intending to flame anyone

 

[Hanz™]

We don't know that craig was talking about GPH.
You do realise that GPH only has 3 people in it, and that Dignysys have now been fired right?
They have hired some (computer?/coders?) engineers I hear, whether they are going to be used for this or not I don't know.

I would spend time doing a design that I wouldn't like as I would want as many people to use my interface as possible. Please note, that as far as this goes, it will probably be quite a while before I am able to do this.

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I know that Craig was talking about GPH. I know this from an e-mail.

So yes this is all about the interface in the official firmware. That is why it is so important. It is also why I don't want to be stuck with something that I hate. It will be forever.

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Ahaha fair enough, I don't want to be stuck with something that is made by GPH.
Btw, your case configurations are in SDL2X (comp. entry).

if(davec == 5)
	{
  // DaveC's case 5
  joy2 = (jupleft && !jleft) || (jupleft && jup) || jup || (jup && jupright);
  joy4 = (jupright && !jup) || (jupright && jright) || jright || (jright && jdownright);
  joy6 = (jdownright && !jright) || (jdownright && jdown) || jdown || (jdown && jdownleft);
  joy8 = (jdownleft && !jdown) || (jdownleft && jleft) || jleft || (jleft && jupleft);
	}

AninHummer: Nah, I think this arguement is clearing up.

 

[DaveC]

At least it isn't a flame war


I think the only thing we convinced anyone of is that we aren't going to change opinions.

Too bad someone couldn't hack together some working examples, because I know after using both types they would choose mine h34r:

 

[Hanz™]

Too bad someone couldn't hack together some working examples, because I know after using both types they would choose mine h34r:

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Meaningless plug

 

[Aninhumer]

AninHummer: Nah, I think this arguement is clearing up.

Put it this way: I don't think either of you will "win"

 

[Hanz™]

AninHummer: Nah, I think this arguement is clearing up.

Put it this way: I don't think either of you will "win"

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I think the only thing we convinced anyone of is that we aren't going to change opinions.

That was the solution I wanted.

 

[Aninhumer]

AninHummer: Nah, I think this arguement is clearing up.

Put it this way: I don't think either of you will "win"

I think the only thing we convinced anyone of is that we aren't going to change opinions.

That was the solution I wanted.

You got what you wanted, but you still didn't win (except in that creepy moral victory way).
Actually this is what I kind of wanted too, I knew no one would be persuedededeedededededededededededededeededdedeede........

Sorry I don't know what came over me

EDIT: Also you spelt my name wrong, so that proves it

 

[DaveC]

Too bad someone couldn't hack together some working examples, because I know after using both types they would choose mine  h34r:

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Meaningless plug

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I said WORKING examples, one where you could actually try them , move cursors around and select stuff.

I LOVE the "Interface 2" one though...

 

[greenpix]

hey guys, how long do we have to keep spinning in circles here? :unsure:

 

[greenpix]

I said WORKING examples, one where you could actually try them , move cursors around and select stuff.

I LOVE the "Interface 2" one though...

To bad that the Flash-viewer is not advanced enough yet to create a demo.