Nintendo 3DS

[Null]

Fingers crossed!

+1

 

[Prometheus]

Heads-up: Best Buy stores in the US are running an offer at the moment. Any 3DS purchase also gets Pilotwings Resort and Steel Diver thrown in for free.

 

[Nintendo]

Shigeru Miyamoto Explains Why the Vita Isn’t "a Very Strong Product"




"It's obviously a very hi-spec machine, and you can do lots of things with it… But I don't really see the combination of software and hardware that really makes a very strong product."

To be fair, he also says that the 3DS faced similar challenges at its debut:



"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising. We were striving to have all of these ready for the launch, but we weren't able to deliver them at that time. We were kind of hoping that people would, nevertheless, buy into the product, find 3DS hardware promising, but looking back we have to say we realise the key software was missing when we launched the hardware."

http://kotaku.com/59...-strong-product

 

[Jumpman]

WOW, Nintendo finally steps into the 21st century.


http://nintendoeverything.com/88505/nintendo-releases-first-game-patch-for-the-3ds-in-mario-kart-7/


It's about FUCKING time!


Chris

 

[Nintendo]

Lol, I hope Nintendo don't go DLC and patch crazy from now on.

 

[Prometheus]

I'm more concerned about lazy third parties releasing things full of giant bugs, with the attitude that they can just patch it later.

 

[Jumpman]

I'm more concerned about lazy third parties releasing things full of giant bugs, with the attitude that they can just patch it later.

Well, most of the shovelware that is standard fare on the Wii and DS/3DS(and WiiU at some point), will never benefit from this, as the companies who make those kinds of games could care less if the game functions properly or not. Their only concern is your dollars as fast and as quick as possible.


Nintendo has just about the best quality control in the industry, and they have released several titles over the years that have had bugs. Zelda and Metroid just to name a few. I don't care how good your testers are, mistakes happen, and in this day and age, this is how you fix the problems.


I understand your concern P, but I'm sure the companies that would release garbage out of the gate, are going to be the same ones to not care down the line what problems a game might have. This will only be good for the big hitters who care that a quality title like Mario Kart or Sonic may have bugs that need to be fixed after launch.


At least I hope this is the case!


Chris

 

[Nintendo]

Releasing half-finished games is the industry standard, it seems.

 

[Prometheus]

@Jumpman - I was actually meaning "big-hitter" companies like Capcom, sadly.

 

[Jumpman]

@Jumpman - I was actually meaning "big-hitter" companies like Capcom, sadly.

Capcom has a ton of other issues to deal with currently, so I really hope they don't add poor quality to their resume.


http://www.eurogamer...ort-of-our-plan


Maybe this has to do with why people aren't buying your newest fighter:


1. Street Fighter IV (2008)


2. Super Street Fighter II HD Turbo Remix (2009)


3. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 (2009)


4. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars (2010)


5. Super Street Fighter IV (2010)


6. Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition (2011)


7. Super Street Fighter IV 3D (2011)


8. Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (2011)


9. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (2011)


10. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Online Edition (2011)


11. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 [Vita] (2012)


12. Street Fighter x Tekken (2012)


Plus, I'm sure the DLC that they included on that disc and then charged for after purchasing the game didn't help sales. Maybe now they will realize that you can't milk your customers for every dime and then expect follow up business, especially when a new version is only 6-12 months away.


Chris

 

[Prometheus]

Bloody right they've got issues... Sad thing is, you can trace them all back to the current president of the company and back to when he stepped in back in 2007. The shareholders are highly unlikely to call for him to resign, as most of Capcom's major shareholders are his relatives.

 

[Nintendo]

These days...


Capcom = Crapcom

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

I still like capcom and am a big fan of some of their games.Dragons dogma is a definate purchase for me.not many companies make this type of game.They luike many other companies are making some poor decisions but what can you do..

 

[Nintendo]

Most video game companies suck, tbh.

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

Most video game companies suck, tbh.

True enough.EA used to be abysmal and brutal but they reformed some of their policies.Activision behave very poorly indeed.Nintendo, Microsoft, sony and apple have all been involved in dirty behaviour.End of the day we gotta play so we buy the games anyways.It seems to be the nature of modern corporations to behave badly and compete unfairly etc.There doesen't seem to be any good guy as such so what the heck. Im really loving my vita recently and I gotta admit it's one sweet machine.

 

[Prometheus]

End of the day we gotta play so we buy the games anyways.

Speak for yourself. If I disagree with a company's practices, I won't buy from them. There are a few companies (and not just gaming-wise, either - one of them is the world's second-largest retailer, for example) that I won't deal with again, and I stick to that, because I believe that the best way of combatting practices you don't like is to vote with your wallet. Likewise for supporting things that you do like.


Capcom has made it remarkably easy not to buy their games, by ceasing making anything I would want to buy, and only applying their poor practices to stuff that I'm not interested in in the first place. :lol: Going on the link that Jumpman posted, and their recent financial results, and the comments on Jumpman's link, it seems that lots of other people agree with the approach I described above, too, and have outright stopped buying.

 

[Wrath Of Khan]

End of the day we gotta play so we buy the games anyways.

Speak for yourself. If I disagree with a company's practices, I won't buy from them. There are a few companies (and not just gaming-wise, either - one of them is the world's second-largest retailer, for example) that I won't deal with again, and I stick to that, because I believe that the best way of combatting practices you don't like is to vote with your wallet. Likewise for supporting things that you do like.


Capcom has made it remarkably easy not to buy their games, by ceasing making anything I would want to buy, and only applying their poor practices to stuff that I'm not interested in in the first place. :lol: Going on the link that Jumpman posted, and their recent financial results, and the comments on Jumpman's link, it seems that lots of other people agree with the approach I described above, too, and have outright stopped buying.

I think that capcoms mature titles will do just fine though. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes.At least they have said they will stop putting dlc on the actual game disc in future. The thing is though what company is completely clean nowadays.Most of the major game and hardware companies have a history of bad practices.Even nintendo were fined millions for illegal snes game price fixing in conjunction with game or was it dixons.That was why cartridges like streetfighter 2 were about a 100 pounds at the time.Im sure more dirt could be found on ninty too.Microsoft are currently bullying motorola and this has led to xbox 360's being blocked from sale in germany.apple well we don't really need to mentio n how bad they are.Sony have done much dodgy stuff too.We would end up with nothing I think if we were to snub all the companies.that said i avoid apple products because their business practices are based on sueing and screwing. As I mentioned EA were right bas....rds before, but they have reformed many policies recently.I don't agree with the likes of game or gamestop in that they charge nearly full whack for a secondhand copy of a game but i still buy new stuff sometimes in gamestop. Capcom may change their ways if their practices hit them in the wallet I guess.

 

[Prometheus]

Capcom may change their ways if their practices hit them in the wallet I guess.

Well, that's the thing - they ARE hitting them in the wallet. But instead of holding their hands up and saying "We goofed up. Sorry.", they're pointing the finger at other companies also making games in the same genres...


If a company *proves* it has changed, they may have a chance to win back my business (sometimes, though, they might have done something that would ensure permanent evasion - like the retailer I mentioned in my previous post; Never again).

 

[Jumpman]

End of the day we gotta play so we buy the games anyways.

Speak for yourself. If I disagree with a company's practices, I won't buy from them. There are a few companies (and not just gaming-wise, either - one of them is the world's second-largest retailer, for example) that I won't deal with again, and I stick to that, because I believe that the best way of combatting practices you don't like is to vote with your wallet. Likewise for supporting things that you do like.

I can go with both points here actually. If I boycotted everyone for every problem, then like Wrath of Khan says, I wouldn't have much to play, but I also can agree with P in regards to standing your ground when need be.


Capcom has made some of my favorite games ever over the years, but at the end of the day they are a business, and sadly fighting games seem to be their best games for profits currently. I would love to see some new ip's along with the classics(Ghouls & Ghost, Mega Man, Miles Edgeworth 2, ect.), but these games just don't turn the profits, and considering how little effort they can put into upgrades for exsisting fighters, it's no wonder they have been releasing so many.


I think the DLC included on the disc was a big slap in the face of the current fighting scene, and most decided to go against their policy. They even came out with some BS excuses why it needed to be done, and we just didn't buy that crap.


I do like the idea of being able to add content or fix problems down the line, but to include items on the disc that you plan to charge weeks and months down the line is just not good form. So I would hope they can man up and say they made a mistake and ask for forgiveness, but they seem to be fighting the publics distaste with every fiber of their being. Truely sad for such a once great company.


Chris

 

[Prometheus]

Assuming they don't die in the meantime (I truly wouldn't be surprised if they do, since they seem to have alienated the vast majority of their customers from almost every franchise they produce), or don't sell the franchises back to the various creators (many of whom have left Capcom due to the management and suchlike) in order to keep themselves afloat, Capcom will go back to making stuff like Mega Man, Ace Attorney, Ghost Trick, and so on (@Jumpman - for what it's worth, they do turn profits on these - it's just that they don't bother promoting them at all, so the sales end up lower than the games that they choose to promote ) once this current route does them more damage and they realise that it's their own fault and not the fault of others who produce similar games.


They've done it before. If they can survive it this time, I'm sure they'll do it again.


EDIT: To get back on-topic somewhat, they're showing no signs of stopping yet, though. They're trying to make the Lost Planet series actually sell, by making a cel-shaded, anime-styled spin-off for the 3DS. The thing is, I can't imagine who would want it - it's not a big seller to begin with, and I'm pretty sure it's never been profitable for them, either. Tut tut, Capcom. If a series doesn't do how you want it to do and nobody really wants it, don't keep spamming it. The folks behind Bubsy the Bobcat never learned that, but Capcom should. :lol: