Mould Creation Time

[dflemstr]

I don't think it will be September 10th. Can't tell when yet, since I'm not in contact with the chinese guys (Michael is), but I know they're working on it.
We'll see when it will be finished. Hopefully soon, but I'll never make any estimations again, we know how wrong they can turn out looking back into Pandoras past

guesses are better then no info...and there was almost nothing that could go wrong now right?

Stop it...

We're jinxed now...

 

[Phawx]

Thanks ED, Maybe we can get an update next week as well. Even if it's the same as you've given. That works for me. I don't need a hard date. Just as much info as you can comfortably give.

Thanks again.

 

[borgqueenx]

I don't think it will be September 10th. Can't tell when yet, since I'm not in contact with the chinese guys (Michael is), but I know they're working on it.
We'll see when it will be finished. Hopefully soon, but I'll never make any estimations again, we know how wrong they can turn out looking back into Pandoras past

guesses are better then no info...and there was almost nothing that could go wrong now right?

Stop it...

im just asking out of curiosity. dont defend ED, ED doesnt answer me if he doesnt want to answer or if he doesnt like my question.
Jeez, always everyone at every forum defends the big guys. no offense.

 

[dflemstr]

im just asking out of curiosity. dont defend ED, ED doesnt answer me if he doesnt want to answer or if he doesnt like my question.
Jeez, always everyone at every forum defends the big guys. no offense.

I was referring to:

and there was almost nothing that could go wrong now right?

 

[borgqueenx]

im just asking out of curiosity. dont defend ED, ED doesnt answer me if he doesnt want to answer or if he doesnt like my question.
Jeez, always everyone at every forum defends the big guys. no offense.

I was referring to:

and there was almost nothing that could go wrong now right?

maby it was my mistake because my english aint perfect yet...
I ment i could remember that someone from the pandora dev team said that almost nothing could go wrong. So if there cant go anything wrong, why not >>>guess<<< a estimate?

 

[Phawx]

There is a reason the OP team is afraid of guessing. And I thought you were around long enough to know that.

 

[borgqueenx]

Yes the timebomb...but people take guesses of OP like they where confirmations. If they clearly say its a wild guess for example, we would have some info and no one quoting the statement of the guess.

 

[Phawx]

It's not really a problem if a people are reasonable or not. The problem is OP has tried a few approaches. One was vague and loose. The other was candid and optimistic. Neither was really beneficial for OP. They are now taking the Valve/Blizzard approach. Which is the safe way. Plus look how good Blizzard and Valve products turn out.

Obviously this is kind of the opposite. They make software and not hardware. And what we want is the hardware. Unfortunately, entering the physical realm adds certain unknowns. Also OP being a fairly small team that have real jobs first doesn't help matters. In all actuality, it's rather impressive what has been accomplished.

It does suck waiting, but right now the ball is in other people's hands. So we can't really fault OP for anything here. Sadly, all we can do is wait and watch GPU drivers and N64 talk happen.

 

[droneb]

i believe guessing time no longer works for the pandora, it would do more harm than giving relief if the deadline gets pushed again.

yet if not working with dates then i would like to know at least the status of the affairs.

and here we go again.

SO, Sept 10th is the unofficial date that the real case will be born. Any OP member have any news? How are things looking? I assume on the 10th is when they actually start the mould injection. Basically preliminary machining should be finished by Sept 9th. Any updates?

Wasnt supposed that the Injection times were included on the Mould Creation? (30-35 days)?????????

 

[Monk]

Yes the timebomb...but people take guesses of OP like they where confirmations. If they clearly say its a wild guess for example, we would have some info and no one quoting the statement of the guess.

Not jusa tthe timebomb - also the fact that just about every public prediction of when "when Pandora will get here" by the OP team has been wrong. They keep thinking "nothing can go wrong now, so we are on the home stretch"... and then somehting goes wrong, or takes longer than they thought, and howls erupt from the baying crowd.

Personally, I am pleased to see ED taking a more pragmatic approach and NOT giving an estimate or saying "Nothing can stop us now!!!".

I'm not suggesting updates stop - I like updates as much as the next person. But factual updates, sans optimism, are more my style Let US do the speculating. We will anyway, whether the OP team encourage it or not!

 

[Phawx]

@DroneB

I am assuming that the machining process is the longest. When I saw that video of Mold injection happening, it seems the actual process of making the cases is the easiest part. Seeing as they can create 10,000 cases in two days non-stop. So, the whole 30-35 days has been machining slightly larger negatives. The process of actually creating the cases is pretty fast and straight-forward when looking at the video.

Again, I was/am assuming.

 

[Enverex]

That sounds like what Craig said, basically the mold is the hard part, then the actual creation takes place in a day or less.

 

[lulzfish]

That's how molds are supposed to work.

 

[bustaballs]

Here. I'll give you a guess. Hmm.... cases done September 20th. Pandora complete and ready for shipping December 8th. These guesstimates are based on nothing!

 

[greendots]

We are already a lot longer then the suggested 35 day time line for the mould. We have yet to see any hard proof of progress (pics) in the last 2 or 3 months when it comes to the hardware. Openpandora is spending all the money for board assembly, creation and testing and we're supposed to believe they cant find time to take a few pictures during this intense testing period? The company really cant take pictures for its customer (OP)? No one cares what the factory looks like how about pictures of the boards?

We are apparently in the home stretch for an undetermined time where no significant news can be had....

 

[droneb]

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I am assuming that the machining process is the longest. When I saw that video of Mold injection happening, it seems the actual process of making the molds is the easiest part. Seeing as they can create 10,000 cases in two days non-stop. So, the whole 30-35 days has been machining slightly larger negatives. The process of actually creating the cases is pretty fast and straight-forward when looking at the video.

Again, I was/am assuming.

hmm, im not sure if you misswrote the words but, the Mould Creation and machining is the hardest part no way a easy one.

im sure of it because i work with a lots of Plastic Company

as i said earlier a mould design its not so trivial besides the size and shape, there are tons of other factors to be taken into account.
-Mechanical Issues: Mould Closing and Opening Movements, Product Extraction and Plastination Entry point, Elbow factors (like tubing Elbows they require a special extra movement.

- Termodynamic issues: the mould has a especific Heat dissipation per area per place. so if the mould cooling lines are not built correctly it will build heat UP and end producing low quality parts, parts that shrink and bend, low physiscal resistance, zero gloss, injection conduit leaks (or stucks).
by the other side if it is OverCooled it will create cristal like pieces (hard but easy to break), a lot of missfilled cavity (uncomplete plastic), awfull plastination hole stucks (that really sucks you could loose a entire day fixing that), Mould Damage by hardened plastic pieces or complete mould breking on divergent thermal states (some places too cold, some other too hot).

- Plastination Issues: these are basicly mould setup issues, but a low quality Mould makes it even harder.
the filling times strength and speed, recovery times and cooloff times are really hard to tweak. ive been on a 20 gallon bucket 1st time setup and it took them about 2 weeks to setup just because a single cooling conduit was stuck. sometimes it is required a special type of injection machine to get the parts made
like the flat chocolate dipping spoon (needs a special Electromechanical Injector instead of a standard Hydraulic one).

- Quality and Material Issues: if the material is miss-choosen (bad-Mix)it would get hard to impossible to setup the mould.
also when we talk about transparen materials thats nuts because they requiere a preheating and pre-drying (like PET and PS-Crystal) without it the material build up strains and sometimes blisters.

and so much more on.

so thats why im asking OP team to not to make some faith breaking dates, but instead post up some heart calming lil updates.

hey by the way the TV-Out Cables are or arent ready (or ready but missing a Casing/Plastic tubing?)

 

[Phawx]

@DroneB

You were correct, it was a mistake. I put mould when I meant case. I changed it up above.

 

[craigix]

We are already a lot longer then the suggested 35 day time line for the mould. We have yet to see any hard proof of progress (pics) in the last 2 or 3 months when it comes to the hardware. Openpandora is spending all the money for board assembly, creation and testing and we're supposed to believe they cant find time to take a few pictures during this intense testing period? The company really cant take pictures for its customer (OP)? No one cares what the factory looks like how about pictures of the boards?

We are apparently in the home stretch for an undetermined time where no significant news can be had....

Exactly, I'm starting to suspect this is nothing but an elaborate scam ala Gizmondo, Bernie Madoff and that guy who sold the Iiffel Tower.

CRAIG what is going on here??

 

[MrBlais]

CRAIG what is going on here??

Definately! Must be the most elaborate scam since D.B. Cooper.. Not only are they stealing our money, the creators are STILL communicating with us to snatch even MORE of our money.

I tell you'z what. I'd be gone with their moniez soon az I had the chances..

...Really?

 

[greendots]

We are already a lot longer then the suggested 35 day time line for the mould. We have yet to see any hard proof of progress (pics) in the last 2 or 3 months when it comes to the hardware. Openpandora is spending all the money for board assembly, creation and testing and we're supposed to believe they cant find time to take a few pictures during this intense testing period? The company really cant take pictures for its customer (OP)? No one cares what the factory looks like how about pictures of the boards?

We are apparently in the home stretch for an undetermined time where no significant news can be had....

Exactly, I'm starting to suspect this is nothing but an elaborate scam ala Gizmondo, Bernie Madoff and that guy who sold the Iiffel Tower.

CRAIG what is going on here??

Your surprised I (and others) complain? I've been here long enough to see many people claim this is a hoax. If I thought this as well, I would have asked for a refund long ago...

I know you (or another dev) has asked for photos from the factory. Also that long before production we were told there would be videos and pictures from the factory. It seems like setting aside 100 boards and taking a picture would be a pretty simple request from a company about to order 4000 boards and potentially many more. With a self funded and pre-order funded (intentionally I think,) project something going wrong at the factory in the final steps could kill the project. Not to mention the truth has been stretched more then I can remember. We've been kept out of the loop from disasters such as the bank fiasco and nub company going under until they where 'solved'. Presumably to protect the pre-orders which I do understand, but numerous times we have been told the pandora was right around the corner when there could have been no chance.

If its not out this year I think OP will be loosing a lot of pre-orders.